Amos joined. Jake joined. Amos Hi John hi amos John bold me beter Tom_M ge Tom_M hi jstoutt62 hello everyone Peter hi Amos & everyone Art joined. Gary_Fullett joined. Gary_Fullett Good eveing everyone hello amos Amos Ok. I thought I would share with you some "secrets of MA" this time Amos It is how the big guys are using it-- and it is good to know some of their modus operendi. This is one typical behavior-- out of many Amos I start, tho, with the significance of the THRUST-- how logical and how useful it is for sane, peaceful, more logical trading Amos THe first chart shows the BP 60 min Amos It is obviously a range that hugs thighs around 151+ the tick volume of the last few bars dies--that is the CURSE of trading CME during globex-- the volume most of the time leaves you clueless Amos but the price seems resilient and each decline is met with buyers Amos THe odds that such market will , at least, upthrust itself are high. Amos We are at major highs on the larger chart ( if you remember I have pointed out the QUARTERLY CHART of the BP long ago and said that the high of the quarterlly ( around 15356) should contain prices for a long time Amos Now 151 is 2-1/2 handles from that high, but in general we are rather close to major resistance and trying to guess the last "1/8" as Jesse Livermore said- is the costliest 1/8 there is JimC joined. jstoutt62 excuse im lost!! what chart are you looking at Amos I have found that the best way to trade around such corner is to wait for the thrust. You may miss a move once in a while-- but in general-- it will give you enough peace of mind--that is worth many good trades in the vicinity (important term-- but not for now) DaveM http://www.ltg-trading.com/20090513.pdf Amos the first chart DaveM click on todays chart date at bottom jstoutt62 Amos The big question , of course is WHAT TIME FRAME? jstoutt62 thaks i just got it Amos In general since we are dealing with intradday--- I try NOT to do it on less than 15 min. I juggle the 15, 30 60 120 all the time when I stalk them for that action Amos here is the 60 Amos Next chart is the awaited thrust. and I write: "if the break is legit-- it SHOULD NOT FALL BACK into the range--thus SELL the LOWER LOW Amos YOu do not have to think about it-- you can do it "AUTOMATICALL". it will work about 70% of the time Peter Amos can you please step through the logic of where you would decide where to join the thrust,and the decisions that you do not have an UT or spring Amos THe great thing is that your STOP is a HARD stop. It is either way--if it is a break out-- then the SHORTS SHOULD BE PUNISHED SEVERELY ,, if it is a Bull trap-- then whatever stops where caucht there-- finished that demand Amos Peter-- that is exactly what I am doing now-- I do not understand your q Amos Next chart is the result Peter ok sorry for being ahead of you.... Doc left. Amos The thrust occured. YOu sell the lower low-- on a stop-- and your stop loss is above the high of the thrust Amos This is an actual trade-- so I have no problem talking about it with confidence--I know exactly the feeling in my stomach as I did it-- so this is NOT a HIND SIGHT Amos The next chart is the 15 min- that shows you the LOGIC behind this-- in our case the LOGIC-- is the indication that the CM is behind that move-- you can see that the large bar that drops the BP 100 ticks in 15 minutes Amos is a DECISIVE BAR-- this is NOT ME AND YOU making such bar-- this is someone selling several billions BP at that point! (on forex) DaveM Amos, do you wait for the bar to fill (bar you piont to on lower lo) or do you short as soon at the lo of the thrust bar is broken to the downside? Amos DaveM- the definition of a thrust is so simple that all these questions is piddling and avoiding the issue-- a thrust by definition is a HARD STOP ORDER PUT BEFORE THE PRICE IS HIT-- you sit there and during the hour of the RHRUST you put a SELL STOP ORDER below the LOW Amos of that bar. PERIOD-- NO QUESTIONS ASKED! DaveM ok...that's all you had to say...tanks :) Amos At any rate-- it is nice to see this picture of the 15 min bar because it amplifies the FORCE behind the concept-- it is NOT me and you who are USING THE THRUST-- it is the BIG GUYS WHO DO IT! Amos this kind of fall-- compared with the action of the previous many hours-- show you that whoever did the selling is NOT doing it for a few ticks -- but FOR MUCH MORE! Amos You can even see the "volume" of that 15 min bar-- unusual Amos The next chart shows the RESULT jstoutt62 this chart of the BP is it versus the EUR, usd or JPY Peter bp futures Amos after that DECISIVE 15 min bar-- where the verdict has been issued-- the market stays about an hour and a half-- quiet-- all the big guys have put their money where their mouth is, let the suckers buy the "double bottom" and then continue to push the market anotuer 150 ticks during the rest of the jstoutt62 ok Amos 62 Peter ansered you Amos answered jstoutt62 yes he did Amos Does this have to do wih the trend? can't answer that jstoutt62 thanks Amos Sometimes yes, some times no-- depending on the larger time frame Amos But if you look at that 15 min chart for a while-- and you look to the left-- you see a range-- you see it thrusting the top of the range-- the 15 min chart does not show a clear thrust-- but it came from the HOURLY-- so if you mix and peruse those time frames back and Amos forth--searching for synchronization with the CM-- you get a good trade Amos The greatest thing about this trade is the STOPLOSS-- you do not have to think-- you just put the stop loss above the thrust and then you start lowering it to you comfort zone n joined. Amos It makes trading-- a "science" in such moments. No guessing, no gambling, no random walk theory, no nada-- pure Card counting GALORE Amos If this example does not charm you-- then THrust is NOT your favorite game Amos I you do not understand that this is the way BIG MONEY plays-- then I failed to convicne you-- so be it Amos So much for the thrust. THis thing happens in many markets many times--again you, as a group can STALK markets for such behavior and find such opportunities several times a week = and you should be rather PROFITABLE as a group effort! n Sorry I cannot participate in this evening session, or most all evening sessions, but let me say to all reading this session by Amos tonight, if you do not learn to incorporate the thrust into your trading arsenal, you do a disservice to Amos for bringing to your attention, and to yourself as a supp Amos Gary said that the synergy in the room is increasing-- I am glad-- so this is one simple model with good odds of success by its side that can be AMPLIFIES with more eyes perusing more markets n left. Amos NANOO NANOO has spoken and you SHOULD listen to Robin WIlliams Peter Mork Amos no mork fans here? Peter :) Amos The next chart is the nasdaq Amos I am going to spend most of tonight talking about the stock market and trader's folly- but this one has to do with potential cycles Mr_Steve joined. Amos when the market rallies for a few weeks-- most people start looking for bullish signals. Losing sight of the large picture-- a very good trick in such cases is to continue to ask yourself-- what possible signals Amos the large players are looking for. I found in the past that losing the sight of both sides can be very costly-- whenever I look for cycles for bullish case-- I ALWAYS try to ask myself-- what i f I am TOTALLY wrong and the correct Amos cycle, fibo counting, pattern, whatever-- is for the other side? Amos At any rate since we are in a MAJOR bear market-- it is good to search for bearish signs-- if you look at the monthly chart-- you see that from the high in NOV 2007 we traded 9 months until the high of August 2008 before the market Madoffed. Amos From AUbust 2008 to May 2009 we have another 9 months-- POTENTIAL cycle. I have no idea if it is correct- but this is part of DATA COLLECTION,=HOMEWORK JulieH joined. Amos So May, on top of being a sell and go away month happens to be a 8 month potential cycle. If it is INDEED a top of 9 MONTH cycle then I know that I have at least 3 months of reaction coming , that is Amos if the market will be symmetric Amos I do not need to be accurate-- again-- if we thrust May in JUNE... that will be a good trade, provided that the stop loss in manageable David joined. AussiePaul joined. Amos If we drop in May too much then the stop loss may be too harsh for many small accounts--in that cases you need to find some tactics to overcome such difficulty Amos Being the cynic that I am- for some reason I have a hunch that the marketr will FOOL all the SELL IN MAY GO AWAY smarties-- but the cycle-- if true-- adds verity to the may high in this case Amos Next chart is on that Gary spoke about last night-- so it is a little suprflous-- the Nasdaq/SP spread. We have mentioned here last week that the spread is misbehaving-- and indeed it shows williammanda what is the cycle you are referring too? Amos we broke the last low before the high-- thus negating its bullishness. it gave a pretty good clue c1 joined. Amos William-- in the previous chart-- the monthly nasdaq you see 2 red rectangles that show those cycles Amos The next chart is the weekly spread--and it dropped into the MA (which is the subject of the next few charts) this was printed SUNDAY--so perhaps today we broke the level.The weekly chart is still making higher highs and higher lows-- and the trend is Amos still UP--so this may be tricky-- look at the last low on the weekly spread- it looked bearish only that it DID NOT TAKE OUT THE LAST LOW and then exploded-- we can have similar thing here! Amos But at this point we are in a CORRECTIVE MODE Amos This brings me to the major topic for tonight-- and it is ANGER JulieH left. Amos this is subject that we tend to mask. We do not like to admit that we get ANGRY at the market-- and masking emotions-- is harmful Amos Think of the recent rally in stocks Amos It is very normal for a market that dropps from 140000 to 6500 to have 3-4000 points relief rally. may be even more- the CM covered part of his shorts and is very happy to be a small long, and wait patiently for enough Amos suckers to get on the bandwagon and buy buy buy. while he is merilly selling selling selling on the way up Amos B ut for traders- this can be very frustrating Amos We are IMPATIENT and cannot wait for the next shoe to drop-- because our mind is still full with that awesome short memeory of the previous decline (which we MISSED and we DO NOT WANT TO MISS ATAIN) so we are anxious to SELL in anticipation Amos The market crawals up-- you know the cliche-- "DO NOT SELL WHILE THE SAP GOES UP THE TREE" --this is Livermore quote--in other words-- a creeping market-- may NOT be of healthy demand but it is good enoug to create enough ANGER in those who try to sell it Amos and get creamed while it is creeping Amos The bears only look at such market and HOLLER: " S-O-T" Amos but they simly misspell SOB Amos simply Peter lol Mr_Steve . Amos here is a painful thought for you Amos THE MARKET HAS INFINITE PATIENCE Peter 15 min thrust = yen Amos infinite, of course is meaningless- but in terms of MOST PEOPLE patience and pocket-- it is much LONGER than most of us can foresee Amos Anger mgmt in the market is very important David left. Amos If you missed being long the stock market during the last 2 months-- do NOT let your anger-- force you to make mistakes Amos WHat happens to most people is that they get so frustrated-- that in the end-- in order to rationalize their emotions-- they even turn around and when the correction starts-- they go LONG to catch the next rally that they have missed for the last few months Amos this is dangerous behavior. It is mostly subliminal and we are not aware of it-- but it is there and if you are not aware of it-- it is a wound full of puss that will errupt later Amos What should you wait for? Peter a retest Amos Well, think of the mechanics of the market--say you are short all this rally and you wait for the anticipated sharp correction. Amos YOU CANNOT GET OUT-- because the higher the market goes-- THE CLOSER IT GETS TO THAT INEVITABLE point of the RESUMPTION of the bear market-- so you do NOT put a stop on your short Amos The market keeps going up , but NOT strongly enough to scare you. Amos THE MAIN REASON the market crawals like that is EXACTLY to give the shorts HOPE (aside from making the fund mgrs and banks gloat because they are ONLY LONG)---so they STAY SHORT Amos until? Amos Either their options expire or they have TO ROLLOVER Amos Few understand the awesome power and the CURSE of the rollover Amos The only reason we have so many conracts-- is simply so that the exhcange and the brokers will be able to send their chidren to Yale. Amos COMISSIONS is one huge part of this busienss- had it not been for commissions-- this room and all these thrusts-- would not be available to you! Amos But as part of the game-- it it a very clever and painful part that we should be aware off Amos When you have to rollover, say your shorts-there is a spychological effect to it-- If you are short--YOU MUST COVER YOUR SHORTS-- and then sell the next contract Amos THE MARKET MECHANICS FORCES YOU TO DO that which you REFUSED TO DO ALL ALONG_- that has a devastating effect-- YOU ARE FORCE to face your mistake-- and that is very hard Amos Usually this happens at the point of MAXIMUM PAIN-- that concept is now appearing in many forums-- and it is a very real one! Amos It exists in the market ALL the time- but it is MOST efficient (for market manipulation) when the market goes thru a process that can ANGER many traders Amos THe last rally in the stock market-- is nothing more than RALLY BACK TO PREVIOUS CREEK-- if it happened fast-- all of us would look and say: "HOW CLEAR"-- but when it takes so long and looks so "SOTTY" it makes that ROLLOVER or expiration of OPTIONS Amos a painfull event Amos The bible talks about anger as being a very destructive emotion Amos One of the Mafia's secrets of success is their famous motto: Don't get mad-- get even....very difficult in the market place Amos This is an important subject. I had to deal with it during the week, that is why I talk about it... as you may have noticed over time-- most of the subjects I bring here-- are those that I myself GRAPPLE with during trading--so you suffer too Amos Next few charts share with you some of the tricks of the MA people Amos It takes time to get used to it==but if you incorporate this into your thinking-- it may save you some anguish in later trading Amos IT turns out that the MA is very popular these days, especially by smart money. I find it humiliating that it is so-- but that is fact-- and I will try to prove it to you Amos Since I trade the pound intensively lately-- this is where I see this happening--but it could have been beans or siver as well. THe ONLY advantage of currencies is that they are the TRUE 24 hours trading vehicle ab_sent left. ab_sent joined. Amos and since they do not have volume most of the time-- outside the merc hours-- you need to find other navigators-- so here is a sequence of INTRADAY action of the BP--at a major POINT OF RESISTANCE as I have pointed earlier (153.56 on the quarterly chart Amos and we are at 15250 Amos We look at the 5 min chart DaveM left. Amos it is trading sideways and all three MAs flatten Amos Ignore the green line- this is a 200 MA which I have added lately only for the MONTHLY DOW--- other than that is it meaningless (even tho from time to time it happens to "be right") Amos when the market starts trading sideways-- you have only two choices-- either it breaks to the upside--flag continuation-- or it starts correction (and we dealt with the thrust issue before) Amos you can see that the double top was a trifle lower and the tripple bottom was a trifle lower-- so there in imperceptible weakness here Amos so the next chart is the 15 min Amos you can see the market breaks the last low-- supposedly giving a sell signal-- only to rally back up-- why? because the MA is becoming support Amos do not believe this-- GO AND CHECK for yourself-- the MA is repeatedly used by the market-- I AM TALKING OF A STRONG MARKET that HAS MOMENTUM- not a TRADING MARKET-- check this in the beans to prove to yourself Amos so the 55 MA of the 15 min is holding Amos next chart is the 30 min-- you see that all three MA are still going up and in your mind you should expect the 55 of the 30 to be the next support if a correction is coming Amos That means that if you decide to go short with a stop above the high-- YOU SHOULD TAKE PROFITS at that MA! Amos this is an important point-- many times you catch a turn and you build immediately HOPES for a huge decline (there are people at GVI that are hollerin 140 BP for weeks!!!! so what? this is STUPID) Amos as a trader, as long as the market makes higher lows--you should only scalp on the short side if you so wish and RESPECT THE MA-- since we are dealing in intraday- then thoses MA's still work Amos Next chart shows you that there is some supply and let us say you are short (i was) you should COVER at the 55 MA! At least PART OF YOUR SHORTS-- because this is HOW THE CM WORKD WITH MA Amos Next chart you see that the 21 on the 60 min held-- and this will most likely CO-INSIDE with the 55 on the 30. Amos If you did not cover your shorts at that point--out of respect to the MOMENTUM-- the next rally washes away all your momentary profits and you feel like an idiot ( I FEEL LIKE AN IDIOT , that is) Amos THe FALSE notion that you "CAUGHT a top " is bad, is COUNTER WYCKOFF PROCESS, COUNTER MOMENTUM, not good Amos Market rallied after the 21 60 min MA and now continues to go down-- so I go to the next time frame and I see imporant congestion of 2 MA the 21 and 55 pointing up on the two hour bar chart Amos that is the next support and in the next chart you see it. Amos If you are trading against the trend-- RESPECTING THE TREND MA --is a very good and CORRECT approoach to scalping. Amos It took me a long time to admit to the truth of that simple and rather idiotic statment-- but it is so true--- that I don't fool with it any more Amos So I share with you-- if you want to use it-- be my guest Amos Next chart shows that even the 240 favorite currency time frame respected the ma Amos and the next chart shows you how STUPID the whole sequenc was when we are still in a DAILY HIGHER HIGH AND HIGHER LOW SITUATION Amos you can say-- Amos-- this is intraday garbage!--and you will be right Amos but it makes me 300-600 a day-- so this is GOOD garbage Amos that is about it for MA-- I am learning every day how the clever guys are using it-- and it is good stuff. Not pure WYCOFF (even tho his wave is pretty much MOMENTUM indicator)--but good additional tool Amos Next chart is the beans Amos The beans right now simply belong to the ANGER CLASS Art left. Amos the rally in the beans is total manipulation. TOO MANY PEOPLE ARE SHORT and the MAY CONTRACTS is going to EXPIRE probably at the high Amos THis is Backwardation galore (front month higher than back month --indicating squeeze. I hope I use backwardation and contango correctly-- has been a long time since I used these terms Amos Gary correct me if i am wrong Amos at any rate-- the beans are now just punishing the shorts Amos question is-- how far can we go? so I try the point and figure-- Exceede. Tried the rally back to an "ice" (april 2008)--failed Amos now I think of 50% correction and that brings us to 1217 Amos just a number to watch or its vicinity Amos Not so important-- much less important than weekly thrust or such- but just an alert Amos if you have another number that may be "true" resistance-- please share Amos Next chart is the large filter on the beans Amos the count from the 900 area was finished at 1120 Amos but then we get to the congestion that i marked with an ellipse and termed it "TOYING WITH SHORTS" Gary_Fullett you are correct Amos think about the CM-- what does he care if he holds the market here or pushes it a little higher if he can take it down back to 9 with a few LD days? Amos we are all dreaming of being in that move on the right side-- but he will SHAKE US ALL!!! Amos what is the solution? Probably wait for a failing thrust and then buying otm puts? if you cannot finance the stop loss--not sure Amos when is the expiration of the May conract? what is the open interst in May? Amos the wheat beans spread should give a clue too Peter Amos - todays high in July beans is resistance at the daily RTL Amos But I bring this example wo show you how even a CLEAN COUNT can be misleading and tempting to go short--if, OTOH you look at the MA-- it is still strong!!! So the POINT AND FIGURE FOOLED ME THIS TIME Amos I am our of charts---there were many tonight-- but not so important since they were just examples of intraday trade Amos However- the concept of using the MA even in intelligent scalping (within the CORRECT TREND) and the issue of learning to cope with built in anger-- is important Amos Two more issues that I wanted to mention Amos 1 . watch the VIX-- it may have given a signal today-- Amos 2. watch the dollar-- same thing-- the next 30 hours should be important because if you look at the 8 hour bars--we are about 4 or 3 bars away from 55 bars from the recent top (about 17 days ago Amos if, per chance the market wants to respcect that 55 8 hour bar-- then we can have an important several days rally in the dollar-- which may conicide in some reaction in dollar dependent markets such a prostitution and others Peter lol Amos you can see that i am starting to sink Amos too tired Amos Haook Mr_Steve Thanks Amos, You allways bring to the table things I have overlooked. Are you looking over my shoulder when I trade? You do not have to answer Amos Steve, I usually have a sholder of lamb while you are trading Peter Amos fyi - the Euro tested the weekly creek and the dollar tested weekly support last night Amos wait for daily and weekly thrusts Amos also the EUR/GBP spread is interesting above 9080 there is a vacuum--so if they want to run it to test previous high-- this it the place Amos open to q Mr_Steve Amos could you give any insite on oil? Amos I use oil of olay Peter lol Gary_Fullett silence of the lambs amos means KevinA Amos, in the first example tonight of the failed breakout on BP, if that 60 min bar closed at the high, how do approach trading the breakout to the long side (if you do)? Gary_Fullett the beans may have a UT after a n OKR on the daily Amos Steve-- oil is no different than beans, or silver, or lumber-- we are in a trading market and manipulation is champion Mr_Steve ty c1 Amos - would a decline below 876 in ES continuation chart qualify as a short based on your weekly thrust model? Amos KevinA--very good question. since we are so close to QUARERLY resistance-- I have hard time playing the long side but in general the answer is simply-- you can buy the next higher high and put a stop below the thrust KevinA so a thrust of the breakout bar - that was my guess - thanks! Amos just wait for minimum contiunation of the first bar--in this cases60 min-- that is GO WITH THE STRENGTH Amos c1 I need to see the chart to answer that-- do not have chart right now Amos actually c1 just looke-- the low of May is more important at 862 Amos so far we are obeying the Steinhardt model of the fIRST DAY OF MONTH being opening range and we are above it! c1 okay thank you Amos all in all we are still inside that large quarterly in the dow -- and all talks about TRENDS-- is poppycock c1 so the Steinhardt model supercedes the weekly thrust model? Amos I am not sure if it supercedes, but it certainly fucks with it Gary_Fullett lol c1 ok Gary_Fullett PG site lol Peter lol Amos ok folks have a good week and beware of large trucks, please warren thanks, Amos -- can't wait to apply lessons! Amos gn carnac ty amos Amos left. Gary_Fullett great stuff on the thrsut method Gary_Fullett all should be clear Gary_Fullett that after a thrst Gary_Fullett to sell that low Gary_Fullett go with that weakness Gary_Fullett okay nay q ? Gary_Fullett comments ect williammanda ty Amos Peter just be aware of multibar springs & UTs if using the thrust Peter but Amos's stop rules protect that warren good point -- but 60 min bar is some protection AussiePaul Thanks Gary. I didn't have much time to read amos comments this afternnon texan joined. Gary_Fullett well if u use it on a smaller tiem frame AussiePaul as I was buying with our market Gary_Fullett the stops will be smaller Gary_Fullett the longer the tiem frame the larger the stoips AussiePaul can you please post the logs earlier? AussiePaul or tonight? Gary_Fullett which logs? AussiePaul Busy I mean Peter logs are posted daily AussiePaul Today's logs. carnac left. Gary_Fullett FROM AMOS CHAT? AussiePaul yes AussiePaul logs aren't posted until the next morning AussiePaul your time Gary_Fullett yes will eb posted early in the mornign by kelly AussiePaul which is 11-12 pm our night Gary_Fullett do u wnat it pote dnow? Gary_Fullett is that what u r asking? AussiePaul if possible? AussiePaul or just email.. Gary_Fullett okay i will try and get klelly to post it Gary_Fullett but u owe me lol AussiePaul if it's not too much trouble... AussiePaul thanks mate Gary_Fullett no prblem for someone down under AussiePaul Gary I own u big time for organizing amos anyway... AussiePaul :D Gary_Fullett Gaz always listens to his peeps Gary_Fullett sure u like amos hate me lol Gary_Fullett i will try and get other guests for us too AussiePaul not at all... Peter keep in mind its after 10 pm where Gary is ;) Gary_Fullett steve s wondrfu Gary_Fullett right AussiePaul oh... yes... didn't know what time it is over there.. Gary_Fullett but east coast after 11 pm AussiePaul 1pm here. Mr_Steve Thanks Gary, for the site, good night all AussiePaul East cost Mr_Steve left. Peter 8pm here Gary_Fullett and getting to eb winter AussiePaul coast Australia Gary_Fullett night mr steve ty Gary_Fullett bribane? AussiePaul Melbourne AussiePaul Welcome to say here anytime AussiePaul stay Alvin left. AussiePaul Hey mate... got to go... AussiePaul our maket AussiePaul has tanked 2.94% AussiePaul still got 2 long position... Peter melbourne I would call south coast :) Gary_Fullett well because of our market AussiePaul Pter AussiePaul Peter... everything is south... Gary_Fullett be wlel AussiePaul Just like Mexico.. Gary_Fullett go buy some roo for the barbie Gary_Fullett to help the market AussiePaul but without the swine flue Peter Tasmania is south of you :) AussiePaul LOL... Gary_Fullett he isnt the devil AussiePaul Yes AussiePaul That's Tassie for short AussiePaul :D Gary_Fullett in chciago we like to use Taser;s JimC left. Gary_Fullett i will ask kelly to post it now AussiePaul No tasers here... Just guns... It's liek the wild west AussiePaul thanks Gary... Good night guys... AussiePaul until next week... AussiePaul see what the market brings... Gary_Fullett be wlel paul Gary_Fullett kelly will post for u now okay Gary_Fullett so look for it in about 15 min AussiePaul have fun... AussiePaul will do mate... Peter If you are east, then is Sydney "even more east ":)? AussiePaul thanks to Kelly... Gary_Fullett sydney was from the far east yes AussiePaul Peter... That's the point where the Tsumi gets to first... :D AussiePaul Then Melbourne Peter good protection Paul ;) AussiePaul oppsss. brisbane... texan left. chat-admin joined. Peter brissie :)? chat-admin left. AussiePaul personally.. I prefer the rubber ones.... AussiePaul Yeap. Gary_Fullett i know some peole from brisbane AussiePaul Brissie AussiePaul Tassie... AussiePaul not melbourne or Sydney