Gary_Fullett joined. kent so far, so good, thanks :) swetz kkkkkkkkkkkkkeeeeeeeeeennnnnnnnnntttttttttttt ::smile swetz hi BW ! ! ! ! ! Whit lol bw swetz!!! kent sssssssssssswwwwwwwwwwwwwweeeeeeeeeeeeetttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :) bw hi Gary! swetz it would tell us that the demand that was needed the last 2 days have been exhausted Gary_Fullett good evening all swetz howdy Gary JohnF i was just about to say that Gary_Fullett hi y'all Gary_Fullett :_ JohnF hi gary. Doc_K hi boss Larry hi gary Gary_Fullett hi johm Whit Hi Gary swetz good John - I figured you understood when you said SOW swetz ::smile AllenH HOwdy Ya'll.... ::biggrin JP good evening everyone swetz we know there was BOTH supply and demand present yesterday swetz but the high close said that demand overcame supply swetz however, if AMX cannot extend the gains Whit what market? swetz then we have to start thinking that the buyers have been exhausted swetz AMX daily Whit Dave_M amx Gary_Fullett hey whit JohnF Thanks swetz AllenH Gary's a northerner..so he doesn't no how to say "yall"...the way Swetz & I can....lol Art joined. swetz because AMX is not showing an ability to follow through up Gary_Fullett i tried lol swetz lol Allen Art good evening Steve joined. swetz Gary said it at Chicago seminar AllenH lol Gary...keep practicing ::biggrin swetz I got it recorded Gary_Fullett whats that swetz? AllenH lol swetz.. swetz going to post it to internet - I am outing Gary as a closet redneck swetz lol swetz you said "y'all" at the seminar Gary swetz I got it recorded swetz lol JohnF LOL Gary_Fullett i did? Gary_Fullett naw swetz yes sir swetz lol AllenH What kind of beer ya drink Gary?...U like Jeff Foxworthy?...lol Gary_Fullett lol swetz the tape does not lie swetz lol Dave_M I have no practical recollection of that statement... Whit I have a question about Y'all. Kelley joined. AllenH stands for...You All.... ::smile Gary_Fullett okay whit Gary_Fullett swetz has an answer lol swetz lol Allen Whit It's singular, right? swetz tell him Allen swetz plural lynn left. swetz lol AllenH yes plural.... Whit What do you say when it's plural? Y'all Y'all? JP dem swetz you singular but y'all plural swetz lol Gary_Fullett y'alls Gary_Fullett over alls swetz thats possessive AllenH LOL Whit....just ..Ya'll.... swetz lol Steve yous is singular Dave_M captive....under alls Whit See, I'm a Yankee. Whit We just say Youse JohnF From wikipedia... JohnF Y'all, sometimes spelled 'Ya'll' or 'Yawl', is a fused grammaticalization of you all. It is both a singular and a plural second-person pronoun. Most speakers who use y'all use it as a plural form of you. swetz y'alls overalls are hanging on the clothes line AllenH no Ur not whit...Ur a New Yorker !!!....lol Doc_K real rednecks say uewn,s and usen,s swetz see, possessive swetz used it in a sentence swetz ::smile JP LOL Doc AllenH ::laugh swetz lol Doc Gary_Fullett plural of possum is possums? Doc_K uall just you southern folks kent hey, i was born and raised in Oklahoma, I can say ya'll with the best of them, lol swetz yep AllenH U talkin..possum..or...Opossum Gary?....lol swetz possum can be adverb swetz too swetz I was playing possum swetz lol kent plual of possum is "dinner", lol Whit lol AllenH U can play possum... Dave_M whit...where in NY generally? bw can be a food too for swetz, like bbq possum kent plural, lol swetz lol bw Whit Live in NJ, work in NYC Steve never had possum for dinner... had it for supper a few times lol Dave_M West of Binghamton 1/2 hr swetz top 3 stews bw can you really eat possum? Whit a bit north of me kent lol Steve JP just the tail BW swetz #1 possum stew AllenH sure can...but I dont...lol swetz #2 rabbit stew kent yes BW bw oh. Steve yes bw. it's pretty greasy though swetz #3 deer stew swetz my uncle and I were talking about this last week AllenH tastes like chicken.. JohnF lol Dave_M squirel got to be 4th kent I went possum huntung with my grandma when I was knee high to a grasshopper, lol swetz oops sorry Dave Joe_K joined. JP LOL dave swetz you right squirrel stew #2 Whit ever try possum sushi, y'all? Steve BBQ'd Coon swetz ::smile swetz lol whitt swetz whit swetz lol steve Gary_Fullett okay AllenH lol....no hadn't been to Japan lately... kent somebody call Joe and wake him up, lol swetz don't knock it till you try it Steve swetz lol AllenH lol Joe_K ( hi guys gals be here in a few ) swetz lol kent Gary_Fullett probably freakign otu people here lol Steve I've had it swetz lol Gary_Fullett thanx for the warnign joe Joe_K :( kent :) swetz reason Gary doesnt like to archive Thursday classes bw lol AllenH smokes Joe? Gary_Fullett they are archived kent lol Dave_M What's the topic tongiht besides swetz he might lose clients based on our subject matte swetz matter swetz lol bw possum trading Gary_Fullett did u all read the log from alst night? Dave_M the eating habits of Missippians Joe_K ::smoke Gary_Fullett like roo trading bw bw yes gary. swetz yes sir Gary bw yup Roo trading Steve y'all don't wanna go to gary's site.... them rednecks eat roadkill lol swetz my favorite of all of Amos's lectures Whit yes, excellent swetz I liked the PIT lecture too AllenH lol Joe....wash it down with this.... ::beer swetz lol dave and allen Gary_Fullett amos generally charges for these lectures swetz lol steve Gary_Fullett so i asked him to do it for us kent I liked his charts, they give a good perspective I've missed before Gary_Fullett so its a proveledge AllenH I meant to ask Amos what his track record is....lol Gary_Fullett he will offer mroe swetz me too kent JP thanks G Gary_Fullett if your patrriciapte more in the knwoldge of charts kent :) Gary_Fullett i knwo he managed money for me for client bw i agree kent, i have a different view on longterm Dow now. Gary_Fullett before he moved to israel Whit I never thought to look at those high time frames -- what a key perspective kent yep :) JohnF how long has he been in the business?? AllenH long term stuff interesting... Gary_Fullett about 30 yrs bw or rather should say Historical Dow. swetz mid 1970s I think John Gary_Fullett whit i would love to go there but havent yet on htis site AllenH so its true...what ALL the adds say on CNBC...BUy & Hold..."for the long term"...actually works !!.....lol Gary_Fullett but I am going to Gary_Fullett he is more long term than he was when i worked with him Whit Does he have a site? Gary_Fullett but when he moves back to the states we will work togther again Gary_Fullett do u knwo hebrew whit? Whit is he coming back? Gary_Fullett he did teach on line Gary_Fullett was supposed to be here in jan Gary_Fullett but delayed it Whit no hebew Gary_Fullett well may eb hard for ya then whit Gary_Fullett :) Gary_Fullett but he is doing his thing here on wed Gary_Fullett free Dave_M says alot about the man swetz yep sure does Dave Whit I thought, too that the way he analyzed the bars can also be applied to other time frames. It was a good class swetz yep agree Whit JohnF wish i wasnt working lastnight ::angry but the log was great. Dave_M notice he didnt speak to vol but had a few Dave_M indicators/ocilators going Dave_M mas Dave_M The fibo sequence is interesting but I Whit He mentioned he likes mas in trend conditions Dave_M dont want to loose my current focus Dave_M with yet another tool Gary_Fullett well john thats why its logged Gary_Fullett david and amos are great bar by bar chartist swetz agree Dave, I dont use it in my work either Gary_Fullett and in may for the tahoe reno semainar JohnF greatly appreciated Gary. I enjoy reading all the logs! JohnF I live in RENO AllenH The log is the most valuable part of this site...for education... Dave_M Time and place Sw Gary_Fullett david si going to discuss bar by bar as well as some new stuff that eh hasnt lecture d on Gary_Fullett he wa sexcited AllenH archiving the log.. Dave_M nows not the time Gary_Fullett u do john? JohnF yep. University of Nevada Reno! Dave_M when is david going to lecture? Whit agree Allen. It helps to re-read and study a lot of it, too Gary_Fullett sunday JohnF its nice. Tahoe is absolutely beautiful. Gary_Fullett and live trade monday tueday Gary_Fullett along with comentary Gary_Fullett i will be there staurday to help with markets Dave_M time gary or will it be posted? for sunday Gary_Fullett sunday wil sdtart maybe 9 am Gary_Fullett or 10 am Dave_M ohh this is in the May confence Gary_Fullett till 4pm Whit David traded live in Chicago -- was a very valuable experience. You could sit next to him and discuss the trade as it was unfolding swetz yep, that was great to me too Whit swetz getting to sit next to him Gary_Fullett well thats the Key of the seimanr Gary_Fullett to pick his brain swetz and asking him questions about his trade Gary_Fullett and I told u all Gary_Fullett U must sit with him Gary_Fullett and talk to him Whit definately Gary_Fullett right swetz Dave_M I kick my self for not making the Chicago trip AllenH agree whit...live trading w/ David was exceptional... Gary_Fullett U must do that Whit I felt like I learned light years worth of information Gary_Fullett u always have me Dave_M :) AllenH he liked Cotton alot... ::smile swetz ::smile Allen AllenH ::biggrin Swetz Joe_K hard not to like at 48 cents Joe_K lol AllenH How many cigs Joe?...lol Whit Gary, you don't ever sit still long enough Gary_Fullett true Gary_Fullett catch me as i walk swetz why do you guys I am trying to stock up on my tshirts now before price of cotton goes up Whit lol Gary_Fullett i have mental issues swetz do you guys think Dave_M Back to Amos....a comment he made in the previous AllenH lol Whit.....not long enough to finish a sentence..... Gary_Fullett too wound up to sit still Dave_M session regarding the use of TLs and how they Lady_K left. Dave_M are being manipulated now due to overuse Gary_Fullett okay any questions AllenH Buy Cotton Ts now swetz....lol swetz lol Allen Whit Yes, you lose weight while trading live with Gary, lol Dave_M And how he compenstates (some how) for this in swetz read Dave's question Gary Dave_M his TA? swetz lol Whit AllenH LOL JP Nikkei EOM down tonight Gary_Fullett well a su know Gary_Fullett drawing tl Gary_Fullett tl is trendlines Gary_Fullett is very subjective Gary_Fullett so u adjust the lines Gary_Fullett and work with them till u find a comfort zone Dave_M hell I'm just starting to get a basic use of 'em Dave_M and Amos throws that change out there...Damn Gary_Fullett well with expericne Gary_Fullett the lines u draw Dave_M where's that leave me :) Gary_Fullett will get better Gary_Fullett understand? Dave_M I read his comments as if the CM is anticapting the public moves around TLs kent do 200 charts a night, you'll get the hang of it Dave, lol JohnF lol Dave_M and they use that somehow to trick us? Gary_W joined. swetz kent is joking but he makes a powerful statement Dave_M you know...we see an UT and it's really a manipulation? Joe_K no its an UT Dave_M LOL Kent Dave_M ok joe that's what I thought Larry UT begins as a breakout, thats the manipulation, to me kent I wouldn't focus on the possible manipulation, Dave, the one thing the CM can't do is hide their footprints, and that is revealed in price behavior and reactions swetz Dave - reason got to look at the whole picture over multiple timeframes Gary_Fullett well not really laryr Joe_K very well said Kent Larry ? Gary_Fullett jst part of the ebb and flow of a amrket swetz just dont look at UT as a single event Dave_M true sw, agee kent kent :) Gary_Fullett i agree kent Gary_Fullett very good Joe_K It is a single event Joe_K lol kent ty Joe_K Its a UT Dave_M Again, from Amos comments it sounded like the Gary_Fullett dont look at markets with decpetive notions Dave_M possibility was there that the basic market actions Gary_Fullett look at them from the aspect of market behavior Gary_Fullett look at markets as mostly in tr Gary_Fullett tr is trading ranegs Gary_Fullett and most maerkets stay in the range Gary_Fullett dont assume breakout Whit yes, UT is best when there is weakness seen in the background -- I think of it less as manipulation and more an an inability to go up. Just no demand Dave_M such as UT, JOC etc were being manipulated (eg TLs) Gary_Fullett for the most part JP left. kent ranegs = ranges Gary_Fullett right kent Dave_M I'm satisfied on this topic....thanks joel joined. Gary_Fullett its the buy stops Gary_Fullett its the probing of markets Gary_Fullett wyckoff people knwo this Gary_Fullett other maybe not Gary_Fullett see most traders expect breakout Gary_Fullett and thats why they fail Gary_Fullett understand Dave_M ?? Dave_M What % estimation of the trading public kent the 85-90% that fail Dave_M utilize wycoff and the priciples we use ? Dave_M Just a guess? Joe_K Wyckoff Joe_K y kent I would say a very small % Dave_M or Wyckoff Plus :) either kent that actually know they are using it, lol Joe_K non principles Joe_K there Larry yes gary Gary_Fullett good. Gary_Fullett okay joe wanted to talk a bit Gary_Fullett on a few things joel a bit? Gary_Fullett then we can talk more on amos stuff hows that? Gary_Fullett and questions kent lol joel Dave_M lol joel swetz sounds like a plan to me ::smile joel bring it on ! swetz lol Joel Joe_K Ok We ran over some Live trades , this week, kicked some booty, we had great lecture by Amos, Garys Tue night Charts Joe_K Lots to hit brain with kent you're kind of pale tonight, joel, hard to see ya, lol Joe_K So I'll take a diff look swetz lol Joe_K Talk a few minutes Dave_M new years hangover Tom joined. Joe_K and then go back to inter change Joe_K Trading is about Perception Joe_K Question for Stock traders Larry . Joe_K Does the CM take your money ever ? swetz somebody does ::smile kent my wife, lol swetz lol Joe_K Ok Who ya think makes what you lose ? kent the person on the other side of my trade Joe_K nope Larry cm takes it when i forget where he lurks Joe_K nope Tom left. Joe_K Lets say I have 10K cash Joe_K I own 100 shares X Joe_K quoted at $100 Joe_K per share Joe_K Sorry swetz nobody makes what I lose Joe Joe_K You have cash Joe_K I have the shares Joe_K Yes Swetz swetz I have exchanged shares for cash Joe_K Correct bw value in stocks 'disappear' when they drop. noone else necessarily makes it Joe_K Exactly swetz its a transfer of risk swetz is all it is bw commodiries different Joe_K So you se the perception Joe_K Easy way Joe_K to think of it swetz I now have $10,000 in cash Joe_K You buy House 100K swetz when I did have 10,000 worth of stock Joe_K Neiborhood turns too poop Joe_K House worth 50K swetz other guy has 10,000 worth of stock when he used to have 10,000 in cash Joe_K You lost 50K Joe_K on your investment Joe_K But nobody took it Dave_M The poop got it Steve the bank did swetz lol Joe_K " Paper losses are real losses " kent loss not realized until the house is sold Joe_K So understand perception Joe_K That most have is wrong Joe_K CMs and boogey men Joe_K dont take what you lose Joe_K The natural growth Joe_K of a due understanding Joe_K of the relevent facts of the past and the present Tom joined. Joe_K from which the future is presently to Joe_K emerge Joe_K IS ? joel don't know Joe_K Foresight swetz anticipate Joe_K Foresight swetz ::smile Joe_K OK ? BBob joined. swetz ok Joe_K Just some gen ponderings Joe_K Wanted to massage your brains Joe_K But I cant touch you swetz lol Joe_K But Joe_K You felt IT Joe_K Ok Gary swetz no worries, we got hookers for that ::smile Joe_K Im done Joe_K 1 note Dave_M The pooh thing stimulated a thougth or two bw thanks Joe Joe_K Sat class 4:00pm Joe_K Eastern Dave_M got it, be there Joe_K Swetz melted house last week Joe_K we did 3 hours Joe_K lol Joe_K maybe 4 Joe_K Forgot Dave_M marathon man the Sw Joe_K lol Joe_K Was fun soilguy left. swetz I am still dazed swetz lol Joe_K See when we train talk teach Joe_K Its remedial Joe_K For us BBob yeah, his grow chart just crumpled Joe_K WE all LEARN Joe_K Reinforcement Training Dave_M it's all practice, we all learn Dave_M including the teacher soilguy joined. Joe_K Football players practice Joe_K So do traders Kelley I run:) Joe_K Any Questions about this week Joe_K in gen Joe_K ? Joe_K This is your time Joe_K Talk relax Gary_Fullett i want to review amos as well Joe_K Yes Joe_K anything Gary_Fullett and stuff swetz talke don with stocks Gary_Fullett open night ehre Gary_Fullett I can lecture some Gary_Fullett but wnat to tie up ends BBob I like these lectures.. it's like being in college Dave_M y Dave_M y y Joe_K Anyone make 07 Goals ? bw yup Joe_K Trade Goals swetz sure Joe, I always do Joe_K cool swetz ::smile Dave_M still formulating....though the JohnF Get better ::biggrin Joe_K Got to be focussed kent yes Dave_M primary object is to be on dry land in '07 Kelley 1st q goals Joe_K define steps BBob I want to anticipate JohnF learn from every trade, Less emotion, always have a game plan for both sides of trade. Joe_K My old Objectives Joe_K Were Double Account Gary_Fullett most people Dave_M Joel put a link on BOTB site for some interesting Joe_K Still is my first thing I write Gary_Fullett only say they lern form winners Joe_K Double Account Gary_Fullett Ui mean from losers Dave_M trading objectives for'07 Gary_Fullett u learn alot about winners too Gary_Fullett but people dont review those Gary_Fullett u must review them all Joe_K Learn more from Losses JohnF Print out charts each time you exit a trade!!! Joe_K There you'll find the BEAST JohnF Mark entry and exit! Joe_K and its in your mirror Joe_K all year long Dave_M Definitino of insanity...... Dave_M Doing the same thing over and over again bw by the same token, did anyone grade their own performances for 2006? on various aspects of their trading? Gary_Fullett learn the same to me joe Dave_M and expecting different results Gary_Fullett talking about yoru trading Gary_Fullett in htis setting Gary_Fullett does alot of good Gary_Fullett because other have the ame problem Gary_Fullett same Joe_K Thats Dynamic Trading Line Dave Joe_K lol Gary_Fullett we need a phycholgist in here :) joel whit joel ? Joe_K Pretchner swetz where's whit Joe_K lol Joe_K Miner ? Joe_K yeah Miner Joe_K Good one Joe_K Because traders will chase tail few years Joe_K starting out Joe_K and repeat Gary_Fullett so review the winners too Gary_Fullett but a tradr must ahve a short emmeory Dave_M Absolutely the best thing for me is the post mordums Gary_Fullett weather a winner or loser Gary_Fullett make a trade Gary_Fullett take a winner or a loss Gary_Fullett and onward Dave_M Sw is doing on stock trades...win or lose Dave_M next to Amos session, you guys, this is the best for my learning Joe_K You have to organize Joe_K Systemize Joe_K Priorities Gary_Fullett so amos better dave? Gary_Fullett kay questiosn about amos and his talks? Dave_M In it's own way... kent "We have met the enemy, and he is us." Dave_M Different type of learning there Joe_K Twaine ? Joe_K lol bw yes i have one on amos questio kent Pogp kent Pogo bw what timeframe does he acutally trade on? Joe_K ty swetz I got a better quote kent kent yw swetz it's a Swetz original Gary_Fullett right dave Gary_Fullett thats why he is here JohnF isnt he longer term? swetz "I have met my friend, and he is my belly" swetz ::smile Gary_Fullett to give a differnt perspective kent LOL swetz JohnF LOL Swetz Gary_Fullett david too Gary_Fullett amos trades mostly on monthly charts Kelley lol bw ok, thanks gary. bw isn't it more 'investment' territory when you trade so long term? JohnF When you guys look at charts of commodoties do you usually start at monthly swetz Gary he defines trend as a series of higher highs and lows if uptrend JohnF or weekly? Joe_K Any Gary_Fullett not really bw swetz it seems that he means each bar Gary_Fullett just longer term swetz is that right Gary? Gary_Fullett trying to catch a campaign kent monthly, then weekly, then daily, then intraday Gary_Fullett yes swetz Joe_K Higher His and Higher Los or Lower Highs and Lower Lows Joe_K in succession Joe_K Is a Trend BBob is trading a monthly less stressful? Gary_Fullett well yes and no bob Dave_M pretty straight foward, simplistic, not complicated Joe_K If ya got Bank Gary_Fullett because u can tie up money Joe_K it is Gary_Fullett and u can be worng bw certainly would need deeper pockets for stops BBob sure.. just waiting Gary_Fullett and it takes longer to get that money back and must wait Gary_Fullett yes Gary_Fullett the longer tiem frame u go Dave_M need a bigger pocket to Gary_Fullett the more risk more rewar dright? kent need lots of patience, and money, lol Joe_K Turtles were famous Trend Pups ere Hot traders but came back to earth JohnF Gary - When doing DD, do you usually start at montly charts or weekly?? Joe_K were swetz well I am screwed kent - I have neither kent lol swetz ::smile Gary_Fullett whats DD? Joe_K Every Time Frame has its demons JohnF Due diligence. Dave_M new it...layer in the crowd LOL :) Gary_Fullett ALWAYS start wiht the alrgest tiem frame Gary_Fullett and work down Dave_M layer= lawer Dave_M lawyer Gary_Fullett largest Joe_K Start out side think of in space looking at Earth Joe_K Then zoom in Joe_K Ozone Joe_K Atmosphere Joe_K Continent Joe_K Countries Joe_K States Joe_K Cities swetz Mississippi ::smile Joe_K Towns Joe_K Backyard Dave_M missed counties joel just curious why it matters what order as long as you look at them all joel timeframes Joe_K Wifes hair in your hairbrush kent read where Louisianna is falling into the Gulf of Mexico, lol JohnF lol Joe_K You are CAMERAS Joe_K You take pictures Joe_K You Process Gary_Fullett this is important talk Dave_M Throw 20 billion at it...that'l fix it :) Joe_K Info Gary_Fullett self taking JohnF does order matter when looking at timeframes - largest to smallest?? Joe_K YES Joe_K You know why Gary_Fullett long term Gary_Fullett gives u the better trebnd Gary_Fullett the more established trned Larry larger more imp JohnF longer term stronger. Joe_K Because your Larger Bar Ice and Creeks are stronger Joe_K More trades to forge them Gary_Fullett mor eestablished swetz harder for CM to manipulate large timeframe Joe_K Yearly Creek was made on 365 days ( minus holidays ) swetz I think Amos believes this too Joe_K 60 min Creek forged on 1 hour swetz reason I think he likes dealing with larger timeframes so much Gary_Fullett right swetz Gary_Fullett thats why he isnt god short term Joe_K Well he cant scale to close to near term Gary_Fullett short temer locals in the pit Gary_Fullett can play around Dave_M ya, Amos has a consperacy streak in 'em Joe_K Locals Joe_K y Joe_K This whole game is Rigged Joe_K Been that way Gary_Fullett well markets are all manipulated Joe_K 1000 years Gary_Fullett but not illegal all the time Joe_K lol Joe_K Mize well be Joe_K lol swetz remember how Amos started off his lecture swetz his very first lecture kent but Martha said she didn't do anything wrong, lol swetz markets are setup for us to lose Joe_K If I have 50K poker chips you sit down with me at table you have 3K bw lol kent Joe_K Whos gonna win swetz because the market needs losers to survive Joe_K No MATTER what you draw kent :) Joe_K Your dead swetz needs someone to transfer risk to Joe_K lol Joe_K So got to educate yourself swetz and since only a few make the real money Gary_W left. Gary_Fullett do u think martha stewart was an abberation? Joe_K Ride the Elephant swetz need a lot of losers to take the other side of the trade Gary_Fullett thats the whole game risk transer joel that is deep kent nope, she was just made an example of Joe_K She just got caught swetz if everybody making money, then there would be no market Steve couldn't have happened to a nicer lady either lol Joe_K She may have made it a deal Joe_K Came out selling books Joe_K better off Joe_K anyway kent lol Steve Joe_K lol swetz I have done my part to keep the market alive swetz ::smile Joe_K But newer guys Joe_K Try to take it in steps Joe_K You cant get experience Joe_K Have to live it Dave_M ::ninja Dave....hunting for losers in '07 bw so true swetz lol Joe_K I can tell you thousand trades Joe_K Wont do YOU any good Joe_K You may pick up pointers JohnF but if you teach us to fish... Joe_K But your gonna face it all LIVE Joe_K Yourself Joe_K And Everyones your friend until the rent is due Joe_K Its all on YOU Joe_K We didnt have this Day room in 99 Joe_K That is HUGE EDGE Joe_K HUGE Joe_K You have 1-3 year guys feeding off 4-5-6-7 20-30 Joe_K So youll pick up stuff Joe_K But still must study Dave_M This is why doing near Live stock trades with Dave_M this group and Sw's help has been real synergy Dave_M for me Joe_K Bar by Bar is where the meat n tators IS BBob swetz seminars! Joe_K Where it ALL starts Joe_K and Ends Joe_K Open Hi LO Last Joe_K Wyckoff said let him go around the world Joe_K Just give him that info Joe_K Hed turn a buck Dave_M yep JohnF swetz your step by step descriptions on the forums are quite helpful as well. Joe_K Vol not necessary but cool when available swetz ::biggrin ::ninja JohnF lol Joe_K I liked Swetz 7 months ago Joe_K He has great work ethics Gary_Fullett is this open forum helpful on thursday? Joe_K Many of you do Dave_M yep kent yes gary Larry yes Art yes bw y joel y Dave_M chance to purge and reflect Joe_K I think it helps you have Passion Joe_K for this Joe_K Because then learning is FUN Joe_K Its what you like Joe_K Some of you study and have jobs family Joe_K Thats not your fault Joe_K So be cool on yourself Art left. Gary_Fullett good Joe_K Learn when ya can Gary_Fullett i want to help in all aspects Joe_K Take it easy Gary_Fullett open talk 1 night is good Joe_K Markets like Vegas always gonna be here Joe_K Always a killer move on the brink Joe_K You AINT MISSING NOTHING Dave_M seminars, Tuesday, Amos/Wed, Saturday Stocks, day time chat.... Joe_K Moves are constant Dave_M man you guys are great....so few people today Joe_K Sat will alternate Joe_K Some stocks Joe_K Some Commods Joe_K Some Lecture Dave_M give a Sh*^*...your the rock....no smoke blown Joe_K Some jeans Joe_K :) kent lol Joe_K If you guys want another Swetz 3 Time Frame thing Joe_K This Sat Joe_K Ask him Joe_K I like it all Joe_K Im easy Joe_K As long as its constructive Joe_K Im IN Gary_Fullett any amos q from last nigth Gary_Fullett i dont want u confused Gary_Fullett eh will eb ehre on wed Joe_K Yes Joe_K Question Dave_M where's he going with this gary.... Joe_K What is a solarplex swetz Gary, I got question please Joe_K in trading Dave_M is there a path, direction? Joe_K LOL swetz on his definition of trend kent that's why I moved my account over to gary, pure and simple, it was plain he wanted me to succeed, and would do all he could to help me do that, so I moved it after about a year of coming to his night classes :) Joe_K Me too Kent Joe_K Was easy choice kent yep Joe_K Wheres all the brokers doing training every day ? Joe_K lol Joe_K on THIER time Joe_K at night too Joe_K :) Dave_M no idea joe? Dave_M ok Joe_K Good luck finden em Joe_K lol swetz Gary try to do anything to avoid changing diapers swetz lol bw hehe Joe_K Gary common stud muffin Dave_M back to the poop thing Joe_K Whats the Solarplex ? Joe_K lol swetz Gary you sleeping? Joe_K Gary on 1-900 call kent I think Amos has been laying the foundation so we can see how he trades, the basics of where he is coming from first, now honing in on his actual trading style Joe_K lol swetz lol Joe soilguy changing a diaper kent lol soilguy Joe_K 1-900 Candice BBob gary said he gets up a few times a night.. and watches charts on the potty too Dave_M thx kent kent yw Dave swetz WAKE UP Joe_K " oh you big bad broker you.. swetz Gary kent lol Kelley lol swetz lol JohnF lol joe. Joe_K " your such a bad and naughty boy..." swetz lol Joe Joe_K lol kent he writing me a check for the ad I just wrote, lol swetz so now we know who is on the other line of Gary's call Dave_M :) swetz ::smile Joe_K " let me hear you take my order.." kent lol Joe_K lol Steve amos is almost 84..... pretty sharp cookie...... (just a figure of speach swetz) Gary_Fullett im here Joe_K LOL swetz I got an Amos question Kelley lol swetz back to trends BBob amos is 84 years old? bw is he really nearly 84? wow Gary_Fullett trend q joel how old is amos? Gary_Fullett i didnt want to break the dialougue up bw never would have guess that Joe_K Upper 50's Gary_Fullett mid 50;s swetz when a series of bars are going up Steve lol Dave_M damn, he types fast for 84 :) swetz and then a bar is broken to the downside Dave_M probably Sw's sister doing his typing too swetz is Amos saying that the uptrend is over? swetz or potentially over I should say swetz from his lecture last night Joe_K When the Anuall Bar makes a new LO he said cover the Trend longs swetz he seemed to make reference that if a quarterly bar was broken to the downside swetz only then would he go short kent I don't think he thinks it is over until it crosses the 21 ma Gary_Fullett well he waits for the trned line to eb borken swetz I infered that he took a breaking of a bar has a potential change in trend Gary_Fullett and the qaulity of the break Gary_Fullett then he sells swetz so he does use trendlines Gary_Fullett correct Joe_K Yeah Joe_K lol swetz it seemed from his lecture swetz that he was just using high/low of a bar swetz has a signal for a change in trend swetz as a Joe_K Ya can allow chops in them babies too Joe_K TL's Joe_K Some of you say no exceeding a TL Joe_K Think of em like Creek Ice Joe_K zones Joe_K ok ? Joe_K They are all not pic perfect Gary_Fullett right Gary_Fullett he wa susing the trnd line Joe_K Youll get some wiggle room on even some good TL's kent the market can poke its nose through the fence (TL) and still be ok Gary_Fullett but he uses other things in his models Joe_K Yes Kent Gary_W joined. Joe_K Think now Yearly Chart Joe_K A new BAR lo Joe_K may emcompass 365 Joe_K Or sev months Joe_K Thats why a cover BBob cvg monthly Joe_K You can still trade market Joe_K Just perhaps not Trend trade it only Joe_K Trading Trend is a style Joe_K Calls for no prediction Joe_K You just trade trend Larry . Joe_K The trend brakes Joe_K You can cover Joe_K Or try to be Hero Joe_K up to you Joe_K Rem on them too If you have large bank Joe_K Your IN something Joe_K early Joe_K and looking at years Joe_K campaign Gary_Fullett i dont use alot of slping lines Gary_Fullett I prefer to use bar action Gary_Fullett and demand vs supply Gary_Fullett vs trend lines Gary_Fullett rememer amso talke don tl being manipualted Gary_Fullett thats why i prefer horozonatal Joe_K Like Zack in Metals scaled in as it was tickling historic Lo's Joe_K gathering troops Joe_K Lo's Joe_K 250 gold Joe_K 450 Silver swetz there is something that Amos said in 2000 archives swetz I thought was important swetz and confims what Gary, Joe, and Wyckoff said Gary_Fullett okay swetz? swetz he said that more judgment is required in drawing a TL than horizontal line swetz so more judgment leads to more risk swetz so reason horizontal lines are more important Gary_Fullett correct Gary_Fullett level of knowldge is less Joe_K Horz defines Phase Joe_K 1 of 3 Joe_K We teach 4 swetz but for me in drawing horizontal lines Joe_K Could be 6 Joe_K total swetz I go back to what Gary, David, and Wyckoff teach Gary_Fullett horizzonatal lines more imp swetz I just remember that TLs need to be drawn at the most important successive reactions Joe_K Accum, Markup, reaccumlation, Dist, Markdown, re Dist, Gary_Fullett to wyckoff Joe_K Base is 4 from 3 Joe_K however Larry . swetz that best capture the angle of trend Joe_K Reverse ones cool too swetz so I just keep 3 little words in mind when drawing TLs swetz successive reaction and angle Steve you say it well swetz when you say ... i don't draw it if it don't tell a story Joe_K Easy rule of thumb swetz I learned that from David and Gary swetz Steve Joe_K The Best TL's Youll Know When you See them Joe_K :) swetz exactly Joe Joe_K :) swetz the most obvious are the best Gary_Fullett its about the reactiosn Joe_K Now Gary_Fullett the proof in the pudding so to speak Joe_K Which TL is strongest ? swetz the ones that are in effect the longest Joe JohnF So almost similar to drawing horizontal - swing highs with volume, and bar range trump all? Larry yearly Joe_K Yes in Length and on higher Time Frame JohnF swing highs and lows! Joe_K very good Gary_Fullett yes john Joe_K Lots of averages Joe_K on Big Bars Gary_Fullett and the ease of moveemnt Joe_K Think each Big BAR is millions of Ticks Joe_K Forging it Joe_K ok ? JohnF good stuff. Gary_Fullett so any comments about amos chart Gary_Fullett and chat Gary_Fullett or q for me? Gary_Fullett joe? Gary_Fullett swetz Joe_K Thats the enharent strength with right hand translation UP Dave_M gottago see ya in the am Dave_M Thanks for everything swetz gn Dave JohnF see ya dave. Dave_M left. Joe_K Gary Joe_K Q Joe_K Whats your fav things on a bar Joe_K and Joe_K You believe the open not as imp as the CLOSE Joe_K and or why Joe_K please BBob athr is waking up swetz Joe_K Ive read the Pros Close the session Joe_K Gary ? JohnF phone again...? Joe_K He must be on phone Joe_K lol swetz yep Bob swetz you may want to take a look at NTGR Gary_Fullett im here Joe_K What you call me ? Joe_K lol swetz lol Gary_Fullett the close is MOST imp Gary_Fullett the openign means nothing Joe_K Why Gary_Fullett after the opening expect for pivot Joe_K :) Gary_Fullett because the close tell s u who wonr the battle Joe_K :) Steve expect for pivot? meaning? kent except Steve k Joe_K When you open Joe_K in gen Joe_K You creat a TR Joe_K OR swetz Gary - what is more important to you bw but can the close not be manipulated too? for example. we so often see them pump it into the close right at resistance only to revers intensefly the next day JohnF swetz could you say effort didnt match result in ntgr's movement today?? swetz the range of the bar or the close? Joe_K Both JohnF or perhaps yesterday. Gary_Fullett above the OR the pit tends to buy kent range, close, and volume Gary_Fullett and sell under the opning range swetz I think it matched it today John swetz today was widest bar in several weeks Gary_Fullett well everything can be manipulated Larry what time span is the OR? 60 min? JohnF ok i was just curious... Gary_Fullett but the close is relactive of value most times at the emd of day Gary_Fullett about the first 5 min larry Larry ok kent relactive =- reflective swetz good question John ::smile Gary_Fullett i will talk on opening range next week swetz you see my question Gary? Joe_K most times too heres some bar tid bits most times Youll open INSIDE yesterdays TR Joe_K When you dont Joe_K pay attention Gary_Fullett the raneg of the bar important Gary_Fullett but the close inn that bar more important most tims kent raneg = range Gary_Fullett but the legnth of bar can mean alot Gary_Fullett when i do bar anlaysis Joe_K Most Opens are also near the HI or LO for the days trade too Gary_Fullett in the news letter Gary_Fullett i will go over thsi swetz GREAT Gar swetz Gary Joe_K Stick them in your stockings Gary_Fullett bar analysis will eb enxt week Gary_Fullett on the news letter swetz thx so much ::smile bw ty gary, Joe, Swetz. kent been a good start to the new year :) swetz yw bw ::smile Steve thanks again Gary. Joe_K You on Fire Joe_K lol swetz kent kent have a great day, BW :) Joe_K BW DX blast !!! Joe_K :) swetz if you annualize your return Gary_Fullett ell bar by bar Larry . swetz you will be up like 1000 swetz % Gary_Fullett is what david will ebding in reno Gary_Fullett tahjoe Gary_Fullett and i want to amke sure u knwo it swetz ::smile kent well, corn took a bite out of my butt, lol Gary_Fullett okay any quesitons comments kent in Dec Gary_Fullett i will se eu all tommorw mornign or tuesday soilguy Lots of good "food for thot" thanks all Joe_K Whats a SolarPlex Gary ? Steve do you have reno info anywhere? Gary_Fullett ty Joe_K lol Gary_Fullett swetz joe and all swetz we not worried about 2006 anymore kent Gary_Fullett this site swetz new year bw joe, Dx blast? kent solarplexes = gut JohnF gn gary thanks for class. Gary_Fullett is becomming beter daily Joe_K Not that one Kent Gary_Fullett and u make it that way Gary_Fullett so we get beter as we evolve Kelley soloflex? Joe_K ( Yes BW good DX call/ trade ) Gary_Fullett night all ty Gary_Fullett left.