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Gary_fullett good evening all kent joined. swetz joined. kent sssssssssssswwwwwwwwwweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeettttttttttttttzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :) swetz kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkeeeeeeeeeeeeennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnntttttttttttttttttttttttttt ::biggrin swetz you're to fast kent lol swetz ::smile Gary_fullett go tigers lol swetz TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSs swetz Casey ::smile kent lol swetz saw Joe in stands hitting beach ball - lol kent lol rhonda Hello ::smile kent wonder if he made it to the game swetz hi rhonda ! ! ! ! ! kent I think he said he'd go to game 5 Gary_fullett was rainig all day who knows kent lol jc joined. swetz yep, he said was going to game 5 rhonda Swetz my southern mentor!! kent hey JC rhonda Hi jc swetz ::smile rhonda Kent how big is Duchess getting already? jc hi kent and all swetz hi JC warren joined. jc hi swetz and rhonda rhonda Hi Warren how are you? kent I'm going to post a picture of both Duchess and Prince on Joe's site :) rhonda oh good cool handles joined. swetz I remember when Joe posted picture of Yoshi - was most popular post at the forum rhonda Hi handles kent yep, lol kent hi handles rhonda I need to post a pic of Bandito kent Hi warren handles hi guys...... kent yes Rhonda :) swetz either that something about our Wyckoff knowledge or Yoshi is one likable dog ::smile Nick joined. PaulYee joined. warren hi rhonda, kentt and all -- played golf yesterday and dinner away afterward swetz hi handles and warren and nickster ::smile Nick hey all kent damn corn is up tonight kent lol handles hey guys.... swetz lol kent PaulYee good everning swetz hi Paul kent hey Nick Lady_K joined. PaulYee hi swetz handles i see kent....fed up with the grains....gonna focus on coffee and sugar for now kent Hi Lady K swetz howdy Lady K kent lol, don't blame ya Lady_K Hi Kent and all, hey Swetz, tigers ahead kent I know as soon as I get out of corn it'll drop like a rock, lol swetz yep, but early Gary_fullett 1-0 handles me too...and thats the sickness that we have now.....too scared to leave because we feel it drops Gary_fullett must be cold there rhonda Hi Nick Paul and LadyK/Doc kent lol PaulYee Hi kent kent yes kent Hi Paul jc switch to stocks kent,lol, im up 12% today on celg,lol kent cool, lol Lady_K Yes, Joe isn't used to that ::smile rhonda good jc!! I just looked at the chart handles coffee is where we can make some good profits now.....looking at the chart here kent well, you're a lieutenant, I was only a sergerant, not enough money to trade stocks, lol will joined. swetz lol jc swetz, had me looking at it 2 days ago swetz I want my commission - lol kent lol jc lol swetz PaulYee hi Gary, thanks for the analysis on ATHR last night PaulYee hi rhonda handles time to put up a white flag on shorting the grains guys......best bet i think swetz 2 innnings down, 7 more to go ::smile Lady_K ::smile kent I think you're right, handles handles hard to fight the fundies swetz f word not allowed here handles ::smile kent lol swetz unless "food" ::smile Gary_fullett was a greta chart i thought handles fundies fundies fundies handles lol swetz lol Gary_fullett that sttock was clascail kent ::biggrin handles come and get me.....lol Nick greta is a nice girl too swetz lol Nick classical nice girl swetz lol Larry joined. kent hey Larry PaulYee It went up today too! handles wheat and beans up tonight on very small volume swetz howdy Larry jc hi larry Larry hi kent, swetz, and everyone Larry hey jc PaulYee I have it printed up to compare with other stock that are similar Nick the night sessions are always thin volume warren hi larry jc hey kent, you get hit with all that snow? Larry hi warren kent nope, just the mountains :) handles can we analyze the coffee chart tonight..... kent some flurries here in the valley is all jc okay, same here kent Colorado got thumped though jc they can have it ::down kent amen bro, lol swetz only powdery white substance we have down here in MS gets you 10-20 years in the pen lol kent lol jc ::laugh kent lots of that stuff here too, coke and meth, lol Gary_fullett lol swetz swetz lol jc sure its not powder sugar on your shirt swetz ::biggrin kent lol swetz lol kent from all the cookies kent ::laugh swetz sugar cookies ::smile handles sugar and coffee....thats my focus now Gary_fullett lol Gary_fullett okay any q? handles coffee sugar analysis....so we can make some moneyyyyy handles lol PaulYee yes, Did Wyckoff had any advice on earnings seasons? handles coffee isnt re-testing yet.....whats the strategy when it is trading like this..... Nick expresso anaysis please handles yup Nick wait for the right setup Art joined. kent looks like it could be absorbing at resistance Nick too early to tell yet Lady_K tigers scored again ::angry kent but the last time it did this in late Sept it reacted on the 5th day will 2-0 detroit swetz ::biggrin kent today is the 3rd day at resistance Nick the narrow range inside day leaves it vulnerable to go either way kent so if absorption, it could joc, but if not, and the closes don't look promising, then I think it retreats Gary_fullett wyckoff knew of seasonals in the stock Gary_fullett but the amrket will tell u Peter good evening everyone kent hey Peter swetz good evening Peter Larry hi peter Nick Mr TradeStation Nick expect you got it down now Lady_K hi Peter PaulYee hi Peter warren hi Peter swetz ::biggrin ::biggrin ::biggrin Lady_K 3-0 now Nick 3-0 Tigs jc hey peter swetz 3 smiley faces for 3 Tiger runs ::biggrin Peter hey Kent, Swetz, Larry, Nick, JC, lol not yet Nick...need a few more days, lots of stuff:) Nick Pudge finally woke up Lady_K i thought it was just a big laugh Peter hi Paul , Lady K & Warren swetz yep sure did Nick ::smile swetz lol Lady K Peter this is a whole new wold of charting Peter world Peter ok PnF tonight from Dr Swetz?:) ? not sure I can take in any more my brain is throbbing already :) kent lol Gary_fullett yes finishing up p and f Lady_K loven it hey Peter, tradestation swetz you guys ready for some fun with PnF? ::smile Peter yes Lady K, although I can't make the lines fast enough :) Lady_K yes swetz' PaulYee yes swetz you guys see the PnF chart at Joe's site? Larry got it Nick I have 30 minutes, so talk fast swetz lol Nick Peter oh, I'll get it, carry on, I'll catch up swetz everybody else got it? Lady_K getting it PaulYee yes Gary_fullett the wire chart swetz okay WIRE PnF swetz before getting into the most recent action swetz I wanted to point out on this PnF chart how well it forecasted the bottom of the markdown that followed the distribution TR swetz I have it marked in blue the target price will left. swetz notice that I have actually 3 targets from this distribution TR swetz one is measured from the top of the Dist TR swetz second one is measured from the count line I have marked in blue swetz third one and is where the bottom occurred swetz is the 1/2 point between the Dist TR top and count line swetz Wyckoff recommended using the 1/2 point as a possible target too when the Distr top and count line were far away from each other Art left. will joined. swetz you guys see where WIRE finished going down? Larry y swetz I havent lost anybody yet have I? ::smile kent y kent no swetz lol kent Peter not lost yet, yes I saw kent ::tongue swetz ::laugh PaulYee on the bar chart? swetz on the PnF chart rhonda I am not lost but it is painful ::sad swetz see the blue swetz lol rhonda PaulYee yes around 6/8 to 6/15 joel left. swetz okay Gary_fullett lol rhonda swetz we already talked about the accumulation TR that formed next last week swetz which targeted the 37-39 area which I have marked in purple rhonda yep PaulYee yes swetz there was also a count across the 33 line that also targeted 39, 41, 43 swetz when I get the same target from 2 different count lines, it increases the probability that the area will be reached swetz so 39 would be important to me swetz WIRE rallied to 38.91 swetz then it reacted swetz from the 7/26 high swetz and formed another TR swetz IF we assumed that WIRE was still under accumulation and I am not saying it was swetz we could take a count from the light green area that I have marked kent score 3-1 Bumpkins joined. Peter looks like accum to me, but I'm not a stock trader rhonda it did to me too peter swetz what would give me doubts would be the action on 7/26 Peter in accum, need to be patient Rhonda, still early here rhonda exactly, I missed the low close swetz lots of volume occurred that day and WIRE closed near the low of that bar rhonda oh Peter won't be touching this for awhile ::smile swetz then on the rally to the 9/5 high swetz WIRE immediately reversed, creating an UT showing downside follow through on EOM down and increasing volume especially on 9/11 swetz so maybe WIRE was redistributing here rhonda yes Peter true Swetz, still supply but some strong hands are supporting..understand Rhonda, I used to be discouraged in early accum Peter otoh, I could be wrong swetz lol Peter, I could be wrong too ::smile swetz looked like to me the cause from the May distr TR was used up based on the PnF chart swetz so WIRE had to build cause again Peter <--shutting up, this is a PnF class ;) swetz to prepare for the next move swetz no Peter, please make comments swetz you got great Wyckoff knowledge ::smile rhonda Peter good comments swetz when looking at the bar chart of WIRE swetz the reaction that ended on 9/12 had increased volume and EOM down relative to the rally that lead to the UT Larry yes see that swetz we say supply on 7/26 rhonda yes swetz then what really gave us a good clue that WIRE maybe under redistribution was the lack of demand on the rally that followed the reaction to the 9/12 low swetz see now that volume is coming on the breaks instead of the rallies Larry y rhonda yes swetz also the rally to the 9/21 high made a lower top Gary_fullett pleaase ask if u r lost Larry starting to make lower highs, lower lows too PaulYee i am ok swetz yes Larry very good swetz what Larry said is a characteristic of distribution TR swetz like higher tops/bottoms are a characteristic of accum TR swetz like the ISE chart I posted on Joe's site handles cant compute yet....too much new info..... swetz lol handles trying though rhonda yes could of drawn RTL saw EOM down? PaulYee i am with you handles swetz dont worry handles, 1/2 of the stuff I say is gobly gook anyway - lol Larry lol handles lol...ok cool....like my trading swetz I would have drawn a Supply TL connecting the 9/5 and 9/21 highs Peter 31.26-31.00 are the key, need to see demand there swetz rhonda Bumpkins that's ok swetz, we'll know if the goblins take care of this chart by halloween lol swetz lol bob rhonda yes good me too PaulYee are we going to have an EOM class next week? swetz yep Peter handles wheat up 7......sick swetz I am sure Gary can do it Paul ::smile swetz so on this rally to 9/21 high swetz we can start looking at PnF counts Peter I'm surte there are EOM lessons in the archives Paul, I remember at least 2 Gary_fullett yes next wedsnday Gary_fullett will do eom swetz so if you can go back to the PnF chart of WIRE PaulYee thanks peter, i'll go search swetz I have got the count line marked in dark red Peter yw swetz my count line was across the 38 line Peter red or pink, did you borrow Rhonda's lipstick :)? rhonda lol count of 15 swetz by counting this row to where the 7/26 big volume day occurred swetz lol Peter PaulYee yes count 15 swetz sorry guys - COME ON TIGERS - need to help my team - sorry swetz yes, count of 15 rhonda will cheer GO TIGERS!!!! PaulYee Go Tigers! rhonda sorry LadyK swetz lol swetz so the count of 15 gets you downside targets of 23-24 swetz by observing the price/volume action on the bar chart swetz and seeing the cause that has been built in this TR swetz we could take a short here with a stop above the UT high Lady_K everybody on Swetz side tonight ::closedeyes Nick left. Gary_fullett lol swetz lol Lady K PaulYee swetz, why a downside target? Gary_fullett do u follow so far? Peter y rhonda UT Oct 17? swetz Paul - great question PaulYee was it because it is going down PaulYee on the bar chart? will y Peter always have to assume up or down Paul, unless your sure, could go either way kent if dist tr, should be a downside target swetz 9/5 was high of UT rhonda ok got it swetz Paul - because of the supply we saw on 7/26 PaulYee thanks swetz and the recent action where EOM and volume has been on the breaks swetz instead of the rallies PaulYee ok swetz this price/volume action would lead us to think that this TR is distribution therefore our PnF counts need to be to the downside swetz cool Paul? ::smile PaulYee cool handles what is going on in wheat....dangggg swetz ::biggrin rhonda Swetz yes it all makes sense, thanks PaulYee swetz, how you get your smiley's so fast swetz ask Gary about wheat, only thing I know about wheat is that it taste good in Wheaties kent lol swetz already have smiley face box open swetz ::smile rhonda ::up swetz cool rhonda, glad you understand swetz ::smile Bumpkins don't worry, canslim.net will feature this stock very soon, it's below its 50 day ma PaulYee ::eye I see swetz so if we go short at 37.50 and put stop above 40 swetz we are risking about 2.50 to potentially get a profit of 13-14 Larry lol bob swetz lol Bob swetz lol Paul swetz so the PnF helps me to determine my profit:risk ratio Gary_fullett good swetz and helps me to determine if there is enough reward to accept the risk swetz if there is, then I got a good trade setup swetz now after WIRE declines from 9/21 high swetz it rallies again to the 10/18 high which also happens to be where the supply TL is swetz this rally builds more cause for a potentially lower downside target swetz which I have marked in pink swetz so if we missed the short opportunity on the rally to the 9/21 high swetz we get another chance at the 10/18 area swetz to short swetz 10/18 was a wide range bar with close at the low swetz I think a short could have been made on the close because this bar showed that the decline was likely to resume because of the EOM down and close at the low swetz WIRE continued making lower highs/lower lows Bumpkins there's gunna be BLUD in the street kent there's a bullish WW on WIRE, lol, targets about 38.50 (filling in for Joe, lol) swetz lol kent rhonda LOL Kent Larry swetz, what about this little last move to 36? wouldnt you get a larger downside target using that as well? is that proper to continue to revise your counts/targets? swetz yes Larry you would get a larger downside target swetz but your target remains the most conservative number swetz but realize that a higher target is present Gary_fullett always take the most conservative numer Larry 23 in this case? swetz yes Larry ok Larry pretty cool swetz now please understand, that even though PnF has worked beautifully to forecast the first bottom in mid June swetz and the rally high in late July swetz doesnt mean that it will work that well this time swetz PnF only is a guideline swetz the clues that I see that lead me to believe that this TR is distribution could change Larry no holy grail here?lol swetz the market is always changing, so we have to be flexible enough to change with it swetz lol Larry swetz but so true swetz PnF is a powerful tool but is still only a guideline swetz also I will give you guys a great tidbit on PnF Larry what is the most difficult part about using pnf if yuo are new to it? anything stand out? swetz the more obvious the PSY, BC, AR, ST sequence, the more likely the PnF downside counts will work out Bumpkins sure is a divergent stock with just about all 300 canslim stocks getting bought swetz same thing goes for upside counts on obvious PS, SC, AR, ST sequence swetz reason I believe the downside count from the distr TR from the WIRE top worked so well kent interesting Peter on thatq or distibution vs accum, let me say I hadn't looked at the montly and weekly until a few minutes ago, I agree, distribution more likely...I thought we were near the botom of the chart :) Gary_W joined. swetz ::smile Peter Gary_W left. swetz most difficult part to me Larry is knowing when to break up a TR into phases rhonda yes the chart told the whole story w/o news which ended up being bad earnings Bumpkins uh oh, they must of discontinued coverage of it ... hmmm swetz but lets look at this swetz great point rhonda swetz we know that there can be smaller TR within larger TR right? Peter y Larry y rhonda thanks, yes swetz a got a question for you guys? swetz if you get the answer wrong, then you guys have to be lifetime Tigers fans swetz I know you guys dont want that Peter lol swetz heck, sometimes I dont want that swetz lol Larry lol Bumpkins so we get willied huh rhonda lol swetz can there be a small accumulation TR within a larger distribution TR? swetz and vice versa? rhonda yes there can be Lady_K y warren y jc ::sleep time for me, see yas in am Peter in the same timeframe? swetz no pressure guys and gals ::smile PaulYee my bet would be yes jc left. swetz Peter asking a good question ::smile Larry how to get larger TR inside smaller TR? sounds like a physics problem there,lol kent I'd say on a smaller timeframe yes, same timeframe, no swetz Gary you sleeping - lol Bumpkins didn't realize it but guess what WIRE makes copper electrical wire for interior wiring in homes swetz I didnt know that either bump Bumpkins home sales down.. figures swetz lol Larry rhonda Yes price of copper hurt them and not as many home demand Bumpkins even though they had good earnings kent it's the future earnings they are worried about swetz my answer would be yes Bumpkins Sales were up 80 percent swetz so you guys are lucky none of you guys have to be lifetime Tigers fans swetz ::smile rhonda question? swetz shoot Peter I'd say possible, but never seen it myself in the same timeframe :) rhonda when you go with acount of 8 june to 17 july do you start a new count with the very next bar? rhonda or next reaction swetz I start it with the next reaction rhonda swetz see that orange marked count line after the purple marked count line rhonda ok good Thanks, yep Bumpkins I don't want to be a lifetime looser like the tigers.. oh me oh my swetz the UT on 9/5 and 9/6 could even be called UTAD swetz to me swetz lol Bob - in the corner Bob - lol Gary_fullett lol swetz Gary - can you answer question please? swetz if you guys draw a parallel oversold TL to the supply TL that we mentioned earlier swetz you will see that yesterday WIRE declined right to it Larry y Peter there's Joe in the stands with a red balloon hat on his head! shoutin' "take the Card pledge, it's not too late" ;) swetz it also declined to Ice of larger TR of 30 swetz so WIRE should react here if CM is accumulated here right kent lol Peter PaulYee y swetz should rally with EOM right? swetz LOL Peter swetz so if we get a weak rally here where there is support coming from 2 lines at the same time swetz that spells trouble swetz and a BUI of larger TR should be occurring next swetz which will likely decline to the 23 area PaulYee "BUI" swetz? kent don't forget the wolfer, lol kent back up to ice swetz Break under Ice swetz lol kent PaulYee thanks kent and swetz kent ok, sorry Bumpkins go for it kent kent lol Bumpkins I dare ya swetz I think Joe told kent to give me hard time about WW when Joe is in St. Louis Gary_fullett understand everyone kent lol Peter y rhonda no trendline not clear will y swetz not clear about oversold TL rhonda? rhonda I drew a RTL trenline from 5 sept only what supply line point? PaulYee yes rhonda Please? Larry ithink the 2 sept highs rhonda Gary_fullett yes swetz you drew line connecting 9/5 and 9/21 high right? swetz supply TL rhonda yes rhonda got it got it sorry!!! swetz okay, now you can draw an oversold TL parallel to that supply line at the 9/12 low swetz cool you got it rhonda yep ends right of top of yesterdays bar swetz so far this move down has been bounciing up and down between these two lines swetz but now WIRE is at Ice of major TR at 30 swetz but today's rally hasnt been impressive swetz despite a pretty good day in the general market Bumpkins I posted a chart with that channel/rtl rhonda swetz thx Bob ::smile Larry when the market pulls back again, this stock will likely BUI, maybe:) swetz I think so Larry because the rally has been weak so far Bumpkins it doesn't have canslim momo support... there's gunna be BLUD in the streets lol rhonda Thanks Bob I see I had it wrong again, got it Lady_K c u tomorrow, going to sleep on class and cards swetz WIRE may reverse absorb here between 30-32 swetz cy Lady K rhonda night LadyK Larry gn lady k Lady_K left. swetz a little while and then break under Ice swetz if WIRE shows no ability to rally from here which is obvious support, then WIRE will need to decline to find demand swetz that decline will be a BUI swetz if the BUI comes on very low volume and barely goes below the low set 2 days ago Bumpkins they shouldn't have let it retest that PS back in june on ease of movement down? swetz then either WIRE needs to reverse absorb more before going down or maybe accumulation is really going on on a larger scale Bumpkins BUI means? swetz not sure Bob swetz Break Under Ice - sorry Bumpkins ok Gary_fullett yes swetz would be risky to me to short here swetz because would have to put stop far away like above 36 George left. swetz so would be risking 5 points to only get about 8 swetz not a good ration swetz ratio handles bye....goodnight folks..... swetz plus 30 Ice still hasnt been broken Gary_fullett bye handles swetz cy handles rhonda Bye handles Bumpkins would you look for a weak rally from here swetz to maybe 34 Bumpkins after that supply swetz yep, would be a good idea PaulYee swetz would you have use the 36 line for a new count? or it is too large to become meaningless? swetz I would Paul but got to focus on most conservative counts first Gary_fullett good thought bumpkins swetz I would realize that lower counts are there BUT my main focus would be on the conservative count Gary_fullett u dont want max counts Gary_fullett u wnat min counts Gary_fullett and evelaute it it swetz Wyckoff himself says focus on conservative counts Gary_fullett u diont have tio get out at a count fulfilled Gary_fullett just monitor it swetz like what Gary is saying Gary_fullett if u get the max PaulYee so be conservative on the risk/reward ratio, right Gary_fullett then so be it Bumpkins swetz brings out the critical thinking skills in me ... lol swetz lol handles left. swetz yes Paul Gary_fullett right paul PaulYee thank gary and swetz Bumpkins or maybe it's my willie T shirt PaulYee great class swetz if you get max count will just be extra gravy but dont count on it swetz no pun intended lol Gary_fullett p and f is only where there is cause Gary_fullett it can fall short or go above it Gary_fullett but fairly good to use swetz thx Paul swetz lol bob swetz WIRE is one of the more difficult PnF charts swetz if can understand PnF in WIRE you have got 75%of PnF figured out Bumpkins on front of T shirt it says Gland Slam 68... on back it says Dunk 2006 PaulYee because of the overlaping accumlation and distribution counts? swetz whew, Detroit still winning Larry swetz are pnf counts all best measured from high or low points within the TR? swetz yes Paul swetz if distr TR, best measured from high point swetz if accum TR, best measured from low point PaulYee I'll go back and read last weeks lesson in detail, Larry thx PaulYee and read tonights a few times swetz ::smile will you really had it labeled nice for the class swetz swetz thx will Bumpkins man, today was a beautiful day for CELG PaulYee I feel so empowered now swetz lol will the wire pnf chart PaulYee use to just wait for the 25% PaulYee and don't know why swetz of all of the chapters on Gary's SMI CD, I had to spend the most time on the PnF chapter Larry yeah bob, but who was brave enough to hold it thru earnings release?lol swetz read that one more than the others will i liked the color coded volume bars, too swetz because can be difficult and takes practice to get good at it PaulYee how did you do that? PaulYee I mean the color coded bar kent For anyone that's interested, I've posted pictures of Duchess and Prince (my dogs) at joe's site :) swetz there is a download available at tradestation world Gary_fullett it takes time rhonda ahhhh she is tooo cute, Kent!! swetz cool kent ::biggrin PaulYee I see Wal Mart kent lol kent thanks :) swetz dont know if future guys are interested rhonda where is Prince? swetz but got a friend who knows largest shareholder of Cadence Banking Gary_fullett interestred in u swetz? Gary_fullett lol kent he's being uploaded now Bumpkins thanks larry on celg.. everyone is a winner now swetz lol Gary rhonda ok cool kent 1st one was too big, lol swetz ticker symbol is NBY Larry great lookin friend you got there kent kent thanks Larry kent she is a cutie, lol Bumpkins is that the stock that crapped out recently swetz? swetz I havent looked at dividend yet swetz I dont think so Bob swetz that was BXS swetz but my friend says that bank pays 5% dividend Gary_fullett kent Gary_fullett the pic in the car Larry great thing about dogs is that they always think you're mr. wonderful Gary_fullett thats price and duchess lol swetz NBY looks like has major support at 20 Gary_fullett or u lol swetz lol Gary kent lol, naw, I'm the pauper, lol swetz lol kent swetz NBY looks like under accumulation here rhonda Oh Kent his muzzle is all white he is gorgeous!! kent yes indeed, Larry Gary_fullett okay kent thank you Rhonda Gary_fullett very cute like the owner lol kent lol Gary_fullett great digs swetz lol Gary_fullett dogs Gary_fullett nail biter game swtz kent thanks, my little kids, lol Gary_fullett okay did tonight help? swetz no kidding, dont have any nails left swetz ::smile Bumpkins kent is parked far away from the walmart entrance so he purposely has to walk Gary_fullett larussa on phone talkking to joe lol swetz lol PaulYee swetz, all the high vols in up day say accumlation? Larry yes great info, i have new appreciation for pnf Gary_fullett okay will se y ou all tommmow Gary_fullett it was wonderful swetz gn Gary Gary_fullett ty swetz Gary_fullett good night all ty swetz yep, think so too Paul rhonda Swetz you help so much I am really lucky, Thanks so much PaulYee gn gary Gary_fullett left.