01/20/2003 21:02:13 EST User [gary fullett] joined forum from 204.233.213.235 01/20/2003 21:02:21 EST hello, gary! 01/20/2003 21:02:24 EST hello gary 01/20/2003 21:02:28 EST Hello, Gary 01/20/2003 21:02:39 EST good evening 01/20/2003 21:02:45 EST how is everyone? 01/20/2003 21:02:45 EST User [greg] joined forum from 206.58.228.124 01/20/2003 21:02:48 EST hi gary 01/20/2003 21:02:53 EST howdy all :) 01/20/2003 21:02:58 EST hi greg 01/20/2003 21:02:59 EST hello 01/20/2003 21:03:03 EST hello greg 01/20/2003 21:03:09 EST hello, greg - you mean you need this? 01/20/2003 21:03:09 EST hello greg 01/20/2003 21:03:10 EST This will be the start of the beginners class for wyckoff 01/20/2003 21:03:15 EST it will be basic 01/20/2003 21:03:18 EST User [JohnH] joined forum from 68.101.12.27 01/20/2003 21:03:22 EST howdy 01/20/2003 21:03:27 EST hi john 01/20/2003 21:03:27 EST hi john 01/20/2003 21:03:28 EST I will do this 1 hour per week on Monday 01/20/2003 21:03:30 EST gary did you get mt email 01/20/2003 21:03:38 EST I will go over terminolgy 01/20/2003 21:03:41 EST well, mm, all review is good :) 01/20/2003 21:03:48 EST Cdavid I didnt 01/20/2003 21:04:03 EST sounds good to me, gary! 01/20/2003 21:04:03 EST check 01/20/2003 21:04:07 EST I will go over terms 01/20/2003 21:04:23 EST I will do no charts 01/20/2003 21:04:26 EST on Monday 01/20/2003 21:04:35 EST and I will have regular classes as ussual 01/20/2003 21:04:47 EST grat! 01/20/2003 21:04:51 EST great 01/20/2003 21:04:54 EST so when we do our regular classes 01/20/2003 21:05:05 EST u will be up to speed with in a month or so 01/20/2003 21:05:17 EST that way we can be somewhat On equal ground 01/20/2003 21:05:30 EST and move forward togther 01/20/2003 21:05:36 EST User [Joe K] joined forum from 172.168.53.126 01/20/2003 21:05:38 EST and no one will be left behind 01/20/2003 21:05:46 EST hi joe 01/20/2003 21:05:46 EST :) 01/20/2003 21:05:47 EST hello, joe 01/20/2003 21:06:05 EST hi Joe 01/20/2003 21:06:11 EST so for some of that have been here before it may be quite boring 01/20/2003 21:06:18 EST gary, the email I sent you listed the dates in 'oo that were beginner classes 01/20/2003 21:06:29 EST in archives 01/20/2003 21:06:47 EST I know there were some 01/20/2003 21:06:53 EST and I dont know the dtates 01/20/2003 21:07:02 EST but I figure I will start now 01/20/2003 21:07:05 EST now you do 01/20/2003 21:07:08 EST and labeled it 01/20/2003 21:07:17 EST I didnt get an email 01/20/2003 21:07:20 EST Hi guys 01/20/2003 21:07:30 EST if u send kelly the dates it may be easier 01/20/2003 21:07:32 EST hey hobo :) 01/20/2003 21:07:33 EST User [Jay] joined forum from 68.108.69.74 01/20/2003 21:07:35 EST and I will add them 01/20/2003 21:07:40 EST ok 01/20/2003 21:07:40 EST okay lets beginn 01/20/2003 21:07:42 EST hi jay 01/20/2003 21:07:43 EST hi Jay 01/20/2003 21:07:50 EST wyckoff was a trader 01/20/2003 21:07:51 EST hi jay 01/20/2003 21:07:52 EST hi folks 01/20/2003 21:07:55 EST in the early 1900'2 01/20/2003 21:08:03 EST he died in the early 30's 01/20/2003 21:08:09 EST If your riding ahead of the herd,take a look back every once in a while to see if the herds still there 01/20/2003 21:08:15 EST 01/20/2003 21:08:18 EST he wrote a sucessful newsletter 01/20/2003 21:08:27 EST User [Zack] joined forum from 63.164.161.133 01/20/2003 21:08:30 EST what wyckoff did 01/20/2003 21:08:31 EST lol dick 01/20/2003 21:08:32 EST hi Z 01/20/2003 21:08:39 EST Hi folks 01/20/2003 21:08:47 EST was to watch the great tradrs of the time 01/20/2003 21:08:50 EST Dick, that works unless your a deranged cowboy 01/20/2003 21:08:51 EST rockeefeeler 01/20/2003 21:08:53 EST keene 01/20/2003 21:08:56 EST livermore ect 01/20/2003 21:08:57 EST somr truth there, lol 01/20/2003 21:08:58 EST hi zack 01/20/2003 21:09:06 EST names U may have heard of 01/20/2003 21:09:13 EST he watch the flow of money 01/20/2003 21:09:23 EST and didnt trade for abotu 15 yrs 01/20/2003 21:09:27 EST he observed 01/20/2003 21:09:43 EST what he noticed was that money moved 01/20/2003 21:09:46 EST markets 01/20/2003 21:09:49 EST and what eh saw 01/20/2003 21:09:57 EST was that he didnthave to follow news 01/20/2003 21:10:03 EST that te news was in the market 01/20/2003 21:10:17 EST and the larger traders seemed to have the knack of being postion properly 01/20/2003 21:10:25 EST when the news : hit 01/20/2003 21:10:36 EST wyckoff was a techincal traders 01/20/2003 21:10:55 EST he knew of the fundamental news that moved the markets 01/20/2003 21:11:10 EST but he felt that the news was is in the price action 01/20/2003 21:11:23 EST there are 3 principles to wyckoff 01/20/2003 21:11:29 EST 1) demand vs supply 01/20/2003 21:11:44 EST simply buying being demand and selling being upply 01/20/2003 21:11:58 EST if demand was stronger than supply the market moved up 01/20/2003 21:12:02 EST and vice versa 01/20/2003 21:12:04 EST 2) 01/20/2003 21:12:08 EST effort vs result 01/20/2003 21:12:23 EST this simply is volume vs price action 01/20/2003 21:12:27 EST if the volume was good 01/20/2003 21:12:35 EST the price action should coreespond with it 01/20/2003 21:12:48 EST if u have good volume weak price action red flag 01/20/2003 21:12:50 EST 3) 01/20/2003 21:12:54 EST cause vs effect 01/20/2003 21:13:11 EST the longer the trading range the longer the pending move 01/20/2003 21:13:17 EST with little preparation time 01/20/2003 21:13:25 EST the move cant be sustained 01/20/2003 21:13:31 EST these are very important 01/20/2003 21:13:41 EST and all market action revolves around this 01/20/2003 21:13:46 EST the laws of nature do 01/20/2003 21:13:49 EST User [Richard] joined forum from 24.120.11.190 01/20/2003 21:13:53 EST ecomonics do ect... 01/20/2003 21:13:59 EST hi richard 01/20/2003 21:14:03 EST 01/20/2003 21:14:04 EST questions so far 01/20/2003 21:14:10 EST k 01/20/2003 21:14:12 EST Hi everybody 01/20/2003 21:14:18 EST hi richard 01/20/2003 21:14:24 EST questions? 01/20/2003 21:14:25 EST hi richard 01/20/2003 21:14:26 EST l 01/20/2003 21:14:28 EST k 01/20/2003 21:14:33 EST n 01/20/2003 21:14:36 EST n 01/20/2003 21:14:37 EST n 01/20/2003 21:14:40 EST Your last statement didn't seem complete 01/20/2003 21:14:49 EST about economics 01/20/2003 21:15:04 EST the 3 principles 01/20/2003 21:15:12 EST arre in ecomonics as well 01/20/2003 21:15:23 EST 01/20/2003 21:15:29 EST 01/20/2003 21:15:34 EST this will be logged? 01/20/2003 21:15:38 EST yes 01/20/2003 21:15:48 EST and it will be on a Mondat specail section 01/20/2003 21:16:06 EST underbeinners 01/20/2003 21:16:26 EST so it will be so that new people can review 01/20/2003 21:16:53 EST one of the terms 01/20/2003 21:16:58 EST that is very important 01/20/2003 21:17:08 EST is the one of omposite man 01/20/2003 21:17:17 EST shorten name CM 01/20/2003 21:17:23 EST composite man 01/20/2003 21:17:36 EST or composite operator for gender CO 01/20/2003 21:17:53 EST wyckoff didnt cpin many of these terms 01/20/2003 21:17:59 EST composite man eats underbeinners 01/20/2003 21:18:07 EST they were coined by a student of his name Evans 01/20/2003 21:18:22 EST lol 01/20/2003 21:18:45 EST he was a farmer so many terms refer to his work 01/20/2003 21:19:18 EST what is evans' first name? 01/20/2003 21:19:19 EST the composite man is the culminitaive ideas of the larger traders 01/20/2003 21:19:19 EST i hear cm looks like james cagney 01/20/2003 21:19:23 EST it si Not one person 01/20/2003 21:19:32 EST 01/20/2003 21:19:36 EST :) could well be :) 01/20/2003 21:19:56 EST Composite man, alias CO ( non gender ) CM same thing, Larger interests, to include singular, firm, or commercial interest, or the combination of any of these entities 01/20/2003 21:20:01 EST examples of Cm's would be george soros cargin 01/20/2003 21:20:05 EST cargill 01/20/2003 21:20:21 EST goldman sachs ect 01/20/2003 21:20:34 EST does the composite man lose money? 01/20/2003 21:20:39 EST the answer simply is yes 01/20/2003 21:20:41 EST some 01/20/2003 21:20:53 EST but this is a marathon and Not a sprint 01/20/2003 21:21:00 EST Can be Single guys, speculative and non speculative, can be Commercials, can be funds 01/20/2003 21:21:06 EST so overall the cm has more money more patience 01/20/2003 21:21:12 EST more info that the average trader 01/20/2003 21:21:17 EST and thus is able to suceeed 01/20/2003 21:21:23 EST where many faill 01/20/2003 21:21:54 EST many of the terms I will tell u will be just words 01/20/2003 21:22:00 EST and it will take time to Understand 01/20/2003 21:22:07 EST in how to profit from it 01/20/2003 21:22:23 EST but words are much differnt than understanding 01/20/2003 21:22:53 EST you can read words and think u understand them But that takes time and experice 01/20/2003 21:23:02 EST any questions on the wyckoff wave? 01/20/2003 21:23:09 EST Does the CM trade long term, short term, scalp? 01/20/2003 21:23:17 EST both 01/20/2003 21:23:32 EST he will trade within a traind range as well as longer term 01/20/2003 21:23:40 EST Cm trades on all time frames, though normally, they campaign 01/20/2003 21:23:43 EST with wyckoff you can trade all tiem frames 01/20/2003 21:23:50 EST and the wyckoff wave 01/20/2003 21:23:53 EST What is the wyckoff wave? 01/20/2003 21:23:59 EST can be used on a monthly baisis 01/20/2003 21:24:02 EST thru intraday 01/20/2003 21:24:07 EST no scalp????? 01/20/2003 21:24:10 EST I will get the 01/20/2003 21:24:23 EST yes scalp as well 01/20/2003 21:24:40 EST but the cause vs effect is in play there 01/20/2003 21:24:48 EST meaning less cause less effect 01/20/2003 21:25:05 EST so u may trade a 5 minute chart looking for 4 ticks in the bonds 01/20/2003 21:25:33 EST ty 01/20/2003 21:25:39 EST that type of scalp 01/20/2003 21:25:55 EST on the site 01/20/2003 21:26:05 EST there is a diagram of the wyckoff wave 01/20/2003 21:26:13 EST have u all printed this out? 01/20/2003 21:26:18 EST y 01/20/2003 21:26:18 EST it isnt important for thsi week 01/20/2003 21:26:21 EST y 01/20/2003 21:26:23 EST y 01/20/2003 21:26:25 EST but next week it will be important 01/20/2003 21:26:33 EST as we will go over it 01/20/2003 21:26:41 EST i have it memorized :) lol 01/20/2003 21:26:45 EST so please have it in front of u for next monday 01/20/2003 21:26:56 EST ok 01/20/2003 21:27:07 EST Will do 01/20/2003 21:27:13 EST ok 01/20/2003 21:27:16 EST have any of u look at indicators like head and shoulders rsi adx ect,,,? 01/20/2003 21:27:16 EST ok 01/20/2003 21:27:32 EST y 01/20/2003 21:27:39 EST y before 01/20/2003 21:27:41 EST y 01/20/2003 21:27:43 EST y 01/20/2003 21:27:45 EST y 01/20/2003 21:27:51 EST rsi adx ect.. those are tricks 01/20/2003 21:27:54 EST coitanly 01/20/2003 21:27:57 EST thye are lagiing indicators 01/20/2003 21:28:05 EST they tell u hwat happned yesterday 01/20/2003 21:28:10 EST and it is lagging markets 01/20/2003 21:28:13 EST they are tricks 01/20/2003 21:28:15 EST even stochastics? 01/20/2003 21:28:20 EST yup 01/20/2003 21:28:20 EST and wyckof said they shouldnt be used 01/20/2003 21:28:25 EST but they're still of some use even so 01/20/2003 21:28:27 EST yes mgoerge 01/20/2003 21:28:43 EST with systems 01/20/2003 21:28:55 EST they take past data and try to determine market future 01/20/2003 21:28:58 EST that waht charts do 01/20/2003 21:29:00 EST what are systems? 01/20/2003 21:29:03 EST but when a system fails 01/20/2003 21:29:08 EST they try a new system 01/20/2003 21:29:12 EST that si wrong 01/20/2003 21:29:30 EST systems that vendors sell 01/20/2003 21:29:43 EST trading systems designed to work of certain signals generated from indicators 01/20/2003 21:29:46 EST but wiht wyckoff charts 01/20/2003 21:29:51 EST That's one of the things that took me so long to actually learn and apply Wyckoff JohnH----I had to "unlearn" stuff like that along the way :) 01/20/2003 21:29:53 EST u r looking at the amrkets NOW 01/20/2003 21:29:57 EST u r living the markets 01/20/2003 21:30:06 EST hmmm 01/20/2003 21:30:15 EST u r looking at market action to tell u 01/20/2003 21:30:18 EST not tricks 01/20/2003 21:30:22 EST that were invented 01/20/2003 21:30:40 EST I know this may sound controversial to u 01/20/2003 21:30:45 EST and u may disagree 01/20/2003 21:30:54 EST and that is your perogative 01/20/2003 21:31:02 EST head and shoulders work 01/20/2003 21:31:05 EST and they dont work 01/20/2003 21:31:12 EST they may be right 50 percent of the time 01/20/2003 21:31:17 EST BUT if u understand markets 01/20/2003 21:31:25 EST u should understand it better than 50 percent 01/20/2003 21:31:43 EST so understnding markets is better than a trick 01/20/2003 21:31:52 EST are ther situations or times Wyckoff works less well? 01/20/2003 21:32:57 EST no cdavid 01/20/2003 21:33:06 EST not that i know of cdavid, its our reading of the market or our interpretation of the charts that is wrong mnore often than the wyckoff techniques 01/20/2003 21:33:15 EST u should be able to have a good understanding of wyckoff in all settings 01/20/2003 21:33:24 EST that doesnt maean that u will make money 01/20/2003 21:33:37 EST but it means that u should a market understanding 01/20/2003 21:33:55 EST the times when i have lost $$ is when i was wrong, afterwards i could see where i was wrong, wyckoff was right 01/20/2003 21:34:28 EST The only thing I can think of is some kind of unprecedented event of world shaking importance that was totally unexpected 01/20/2003 21:34:55 EST jst becasue u see somewthing in wyckoff there are time many times u that u may still lose money 01/20/2003 21:34:57 EST 911??? 01/20/2003 21:35:03 EST sometimes unexpected ngs happen 01/20/2003 21:35:17 EST I think 9-11 was a stuation that exerbated the trend 01/20/2003 21:35:26 EST 911 wasn't toally unexpected, in some quarters anyway 01/20/2003 21:35:38 EST but the ;news: of something happening was there in amrkets 01/20/2003 21:36:07 EST ty 01/20/2003 21:36:38 EST the stock market was breaking months bfore 9-11 01/20/2003 21:37:01 EST Did 9-11 affect the commodities markets? 01/20/2003 21:37:01 EST 01/20/2003 21:37:33 EST wyckoff is based on price action and volume ONLY 01/20/2003 21:37:56 EST yes Mgeoerge 01/20/2003 21:38:06 EST go back and look at the weeks before 9-11 01/20/2003 21:38:18 EST and the markets after 9-11 01/20/2003 21:38:27 EST the months after 01/20/2003 21:38:47 EST is everything clear so far? 01/20/2003 21:38:50 EST any questions 01/20/2003 21:38:55 EST Not 9/11----I;m thinking more along the lines of litle green men landing on Earth---and telling Joe K how to mix a new kind of drink that everyone would want LOL 01/20/2003 21:38:57 EST y 01/20/2003 21:39:02 EST one of the keys to Wykoff is getting and comparing volume...my charts are lacking quality data here...any suggestions on chart venders, etc? 01/20/2003 21:39:05 EST I will NOT go further if there is a statement or point u dont understand 01/20/2003 21:39:11 EST lol, zack 01/20/2003 21:39:34 EST the best vedor and the most expensive is commodity quote graphics or CQG for short 01/20/2003 21:39:52 EST how much? 01/20/2003 21:39:52 EST U MUST have accuarte data 01/20/2003 21:40:06 EST without accurate data u CANT make a good trade decsion 01/20/2003 21:40:24 EST like a doctur without a scalpel 01/20/2003 21:40:25 EST more than I've got, lol 01/20/2003 21:40:38 EST starts at about 500 a month cdavid 01/20/2003 21:40:50 EST with everything about 900 a month 01/20/2003 21:41:05 EST 2nd choices? 01/20/2003 21:41:06 EST but that is for real time - 01/20/2003 21:41:08 EST for the various exhanges 01/20/2003 21:41:13 EST yes reeal time 01/20/2003 21:41:39 EST does a beginning position trader need that? 01/20/2003 21:41:48 EST ask them if you can get delayed or end of day - 01/20/2003 21:41:51 EST ther eis futuresource 01/20/2003 21:41:56 EST esignal ect.. 01/20/2003 21:42:05 EST No mgeorge 01/20/2003 21:42:14 EST u need end of say data if u postion 01/20/2003 21:42:20 EST day not say 01/20/2003 21:42:26 EST No mgeorge---a beggining traders first job should be to learn Wtckoff and how to apply it 01/20/2003 21:42:49 EST real time data needed for daytrading only - 01/20/2003 21:43:01 EST but u should watch intraday data to watch market behavior 01/20/2003 21:43:40 EST well sometimes john 01/20/2003 21:43:52 EST U may want real data to make a decsion at the close of a market 01/20/2003 21:44:02 EST and 15 mion delay could be exp 01/20/2003 21:44:11 EST call your broker! :-) 01/20/2003 21:44:21 EST Yes 01/20/2003 21:44:22 EST yes yes 01/20/2003 21:44:31 EST u should call your broker as often as u wish 01/20/2003 21:44:51 EST if a broker doesnt talk to u as often as u like weather u trade or not 01/20/2003 21:44:56 EST I would not use him or her 01/20/2003 21:45:04 EST You can get "delayed" intraday data free---lags by anywhere from 10 min to 30 min depending on the commodity 01/20/2003 21:45:05 EST thats my opinion 01/20/2003 21:45:15 EST I want my cleints to call me anytime!!! 01/20/2003 21:45:15 EST mgeorge, here is a site that has delayed interday info - http://finance.lycos.com/home/livecharts/default.asp 01/20/2003 21:45:24 EST I have an open phone line 01/20/2003 21:45:36 EST intraday 01/20/2003 21:45:45 EST thank you 01/20/2003 21:45:49 EST your broker serves U 01/20/2003 21:45:59 EST thank you kent - does it show the volunme? 01/20/2003 21:46:09 EST tic data 01/20/2003 21:46:10 EST Yes 01/20/2003 21:46:16 EST and U should always get info from him/her 01/20/2003 21:46:16 EST tic data 01/20/2003 21:46:25 EST great! 01/20/2003 21:46:37 EST I mentioned price action and volume 01/20/2003 21:46:53 EST thank zack, he gave it to me! :) 01/20/2003 21:46:53 EST these are the only 2 things u need to be concerned with 01/20/2003 21:47:05 EST just 2 things 01/20/2003 21:47:41 EST gary, if you position trade, shouldn't you just be concerned with how market closes at end of day 01/20/2003 21:47:42 EST 01/20/2003 21:47:43 EST u dont have to read the wall street journal 01/20/2003 21:47:49 EST or watch cnbc 01/20/2003 21:48:06 EST well not really MM 01/20/2003 21:48:09 EST what if u r long 01/20/2003 21:48:19 EST and the amrket should supply or selling intraday 01/20/2003 21:48:23 EST u need to see that 01/20/2003 21:48:32 EST what if the supply comes early in the day 01/20/2003 21:48:39 EST and then goes limit down 01/20/2003 21:48:46 EST how does end of data help? 01/20/2003 21:48:59 EST Gosh no MM----many times intraday is the only way to see the fighting action that has been going on during the day 01/20/2003 21:49:12 EST i want to see it... 01/20/2003 21:49:32 EST what time frame best to see this in intraday 01/20/2003 21:49:37 EST Your association with understanding Wyckoff methodology, will train you to read strength and weakness through vol, price action, and sup/res levels. 01/20/2003 21:49:56 EST Its a cumulation of all these elements 01/20/2003 21:50:00 EST Does understanding volume mean just looking at the volume indicator? If prices increase then volume should increase if the trend in strong? 01/20/2003 21:50:01 EST not any 1 01/20/2003 21:50:43 EST u will cdavid with charts 01/20/2003 21:50:53 EST probably the 15 minute MM 01/20/2003 21:51:02 EST thanks 01/20/2003 21:51:04 EST I will go over volume 01/20/2003 21:51:05 EST Its not understanding Volume, its understanding Vol with Price Action, too and from sup and res 01/20/2003 21:51:09 EST and what it means to price action 01/20/2003 21:51:24 EST volume is always looked at with price action 01/20/2003 21:51:34 EST it is like amos and andy 01/20/2003 21:51:38 EST laurel and hardy 01/20/2003 21:51:44 EST U can have 1 without the other 01/20/2003 21:51:45 EST inseperable twins 01/20/2003 21:51:49 EST as u get more exp 01/20/2003 21:51:54 EST U will feel the volume 01/20/2003 21:52:01 EST and wont have to look at it so closely 01/20/2003 21:52:12 EST and u can tell volume 01/20/2003 21:52:17 EST by price action 01/20/2003 21:52:21 EST but that is down the road 01/20/2003 21:52:54 EST remeber the 3 wyckoff principles 01/20/2003 21:53:04 EST Generally you see average range of like 3 cents to 5 cents, 1 day you open limit up, do you think Vol got beter ? 01/20/2003 21:53:11 EST I mentioned where volume and price action are involved 01/20/2003 21:53:11 EST :) 01/20/2003 21:53:16 EST which principle is that? 01/20/2003 21:53:21 EST y 01/20/2003 21:53:35 EST volume and price action? which principle? 01/20/2003 21:53:47 EST effort vs result 01/20/2003 21:53:49 EST 2 01/20/2003 21:54:00 EST Id say all of them 01/20/2003 21:54:25 EST well Joe they interconnect 01/20/2003 21:54:29 EST but mainly Cause vs Effect and effort vs Result 01/20/2003 21:54:31 EST all of them 01/20/2003 21:54:41 EST but specfically effort vs result 01/20/2003 21:54:46 EST for this discussion 01/20/2003 21:54:54 EST I agree 01/20/2003 21:54:57 EST :) 01/20/2003 21:55:06 EST beginner class Joe 01/20/2003 21:55:15 EST :) 01/20/2003 21:55:21 EST Zack grab the red flag, Greg grab some rope ! 01/20/2003 21:55:23 EST lol 01/20/2003 21:55:33 EST lol 01/20/2003 21:55:41 EST Ok back to my corner 01/20/2003 21:55:45 EST :( 01/20/2003 21:55:58 EST Here Joe---tale this pointy hat and come sit quietly in the corner with me LOL 01/20/2003 21:55:58 EST lol 01/20/2003 21:56:07 EST okie dokie 01/20/2003 21:56:16 EST mistakes here don't cost anything Joe :) 01/20/2003 21:56:28 EST Scoot over ! Zack, you gain some weight ? 01/20/2003 21:56:31 EST lol 01/20/2003 21:56:35 EST good 01/20/2003 21:56:46 EST what was Wyckoff's philosophy on adding to winning positions? 01/20/2003 21:56:47 EST is this making any sense? 01/20/2003 21:56:52 EST y 01/20/2003 21:56:54 EST Just my Gold Eagles weighying me down Joe :) 01/20/2003 21:56:55 EST y 01/20/2003 21:56:56 EST y 01/20/2003 21:56:57 EST y 01/20/2003 21:56:59 EST lol joe 01/20/2003 21:57:00 EST y 01/20/2003 21:57:03 EST :) 01/20/2003 21:57:03 EST I know it may be contricdictory to what u have learned 01/20/2003 21:57:04 EST