04/18/2002 21:10:03 EDT   User [gary fullett] joined forum from 204.233.213.78 04/18/2002 21:10:30 EDT   good evening 04/18/2002 21:10:36 EDT   Hello 04/18/2002 21:10:43 EDT   hi 04/18/2002 21:10:55 EDT   User [Holland] joined forum from 24.55.247.39 04/18/2002 21:11:02 EDT   I'm ready, what's the agenda? 04/18/2002 21:11:12 EDT   springs and upthursts tonight 04/18/2002 21:11:13 EDT   making money 04/18/2002 21:11:30 EDT   we willbegin when we get a few of the late stragglers 04/18/2002 21:11:48 EDT   ok 04/18/2002 21:11:51 EDT   User [George] joined forum from 65.69.98.233 04/18/2002 21:12:00 EDT   User [maurice] joined forum from 205.254.241.86 04/18/2002 21:12:30 EDT   Gee, i finally made it in here. 04/18/2002 21:12:33 EDT   good evening everyone 04/18/2002 21:12:35 EDT   Hi maurice 04/18/2002 21:12:38 EDT   and everyone 04/18/2002 21:12:48 EDT   Good evening fellow students. 04/18/2002 21:12:59 EDT   Hi Gary. 04/18/2002 21:14:12 EDT   before we begin any questions? 04/18/2002 21:14:59 EDT   none yet 04/18/2002 21:15:03 EDT   Gary, I would like to learn day trading, using Wyckoff method. 04/18/2002 21:15:16 EDT   And also the strategies 04/18/2002 21:15:40 EDT   I can talk on day trading tonight a bit 04/18/2002 21:15:52 EDT   User [greg] joined forum from 206.58.160.58 04/18/2002 21:16:01 EDT   Hi Greg 04/18/2002 21:16:02 EDT   Thanks gary. 04/18/2002 21:16:06 EDT   howdy all :) 04/18/2002 21:16:08 EDT   hi greg long time no see lol 04/18/2002 21:16:15 EDT   hi Greg 04/18/2002 21:16:16 EDT   lol 04/18/2002 21:16:24 EDT   is zack right behind you 04/18/2002 21:16:35 EDT   User [Lacey...] joined forum from 204.30.61.249 04/18/2002 21:16:40 EDT   hi george, dennis, maurice 04/18/2002 21:16:46 EDT   okay 04/18/2002 21:16:49 EDT   and all lol 04/18/2002 21:16:53 EDT   lets talk on spring and upthrusts 04/18/2002 21:16:58 EDT   hi Lacey... 04/18/2002 21:17:03 EDT   oh goody 04/18/2002 21:17:04 EDT   hello 04/18/2002 21:17:05 EDT   ok 04/18/2002 21:17:15 EDT   zack should be along any moment, he was finishing his wine when I left ;lol 04/18/2002 21:17:15 EDT   hi l 04/18/2002 21:17:15 EDT   L 04/18/2002 21:17:25 EDT   hi lacey 04/18/2002 21:17:27 EDT   riunite i hope 04/18/2002 21:17:37 EDT   User [Zack] joined forum from 206.71.125.72 04/18/2002 21:17:46 EDT   hi greg 04/18/2002 21:17:46 EDT   Hey Zack 04/18/2002 21:17:48 EDT   Hi Zack 04/18/2002 21:17:50 EDT   Hi everybody 04/18/2002 21:17:53 EDT   hi Zack 04/18/2002 21:17:55 EDT   here you are zack 04/18/2002 21:17:55 EDT   hello Zack 04/18/2002 21:18:15 EDT   04/18/2002 21:18:18 EDT   glad u could finish your wine not long after I finished my beer lol 04/18/2002 21:19:23 EDT   lol 04/18/2002 21:20:01 EDT   okay 04/18/2002 21:20:12 EDT   does anyone know what a spring and an upthurst is? 04/18/2002 21:20:18 EDT   yes 04/18/2002 21:20:22 EDT   y 04/18/2002 21:20:24 EDT   yes 04/18/2002 21:20:32 EDT   maybe 04/18/2002 21:20:55 EDT   y 04/18/2002 21:21:01 EDT   an upthrust is a wade into the creek and then a fall back into the TR 04/18/2002 21:21:18 EDT   right 04/18/2002 21:21:20 EDT   User [eileen] joined forum from 66.149.68.34 04/18/2002 21:21:27 EDT   an upthurst simply 04/18/2002 21:21:42 EDT   is when a market that is in a trading range 04/18/2002 21:21:46 EDT   lol A spring is a jump under the ice 04/18/2002 21:22:00 EDT   a spring is a cracking or breaking of the ice then getting back into the TR 04/18/2002 21:22:03 EDT   and goes above the resistance of the trading range 04/18/2002 21:22:06 EDT   the creek area 04/18/2002 21:22:14 EDT   and then comes back into the trading range 04/18/2002 21:22:15 EDT   hi eileen 04/18/2002 21:22:27 EDT   evening 04/18/2002 21:22:30 EDT   and a climb back to the shore lol 04/18/2002 21:22:31 EDT   a spring occurs in the bottom of the tr,opens in the range breaks the ice and closes back in the range. good volume along with good price action 04/18/2002 21:22:41 EDT   and a spring is simply when u break support of the trading range 04/18/2002 21:22:43 EDT   ice area 04/18/2002 21:22:57 EDT   and then goes back into the tradi ng range area 04/18/2002 21:23:08 EDT   when u have a spring 04/18/2002 21:23:17 EDT   it is designed for the most part 04/18/2002 21:23:26 EDT   to take out weak longs 04/18/2002 21:23:37 EDT   and to get some others short 04/18/2002 21:23:51 EDT   to hit the sell stops 04/18/2002 21:24:04 EDT   the cm doesnt like comapny 04/18/2002 21:24:17 EDT   so he will give u false break outs many times 04/18/2002 21:25:13 EDT   is the spring testing for a bottom 04/18/2002 21:25:16 EDT   as we discussed last night about trading ranges 04/18/2002 21:25:32 EDT   the spring is penetratoion of support of that trading range 04/18/2002 21:25:38 EDT   and the uptrust 04/18/2002 21:25:48 EDT   is the pentration of resisatnce of the tr 04/18/2002 21:25:55 EDT   in both cases 04/18/2002 21:26:02 EDT   the market falls back in the TR 04/18/2002 21:26:37 EDT   to take out the respective stops 04/18/2002 21:26:58 EDT   Gary,this may sound dumb but why don't people evetually see that this is happening? 04/18/2002 21:27:07 EDT   and further the goals of the cm 04/18/2002 21:27:23 EDT   not that i know it all i don't mean that 04/18/2002 21:27:34 EDT   because when it breaks support oor resiatnce 04/18/2002 21:27:43 EDT   funds and specs think it is a break out george 04/18/2002 21:28:06 EDT   when a market gets above resistance breifly 04/18/2002 21:28:16 EDT   04/18/2002 21:28:27 EDT   and falls back into the TR 04/18/2002 21:29:25 EDT   k 04/18/2002 21:29:49 EDT   alot of people also trade with thier emotions and that interferes with good judgement 04/18/2002 21:29:56 EDT   as I said last night 04/18/2002 21:30:00 EDT   and correct action 04/18/2002 21:30:01 EDT   many specs 04/18/2002 21:30:06 EDT   and funds will buy new highs 04/18/2002 21:30:19 EDT   as momentum traders 04/18/2002 21:30:43 EDT   one of the hardest thing to do is buy support support as the market gets to the bottom of a trading range 04/18/2002 21:30:49 EDT   do u know ahy that is? 04/18/2002 21:31:12 EDT   fear of going lower 04/18/2002 21:31:22 EDT   because u think it might go lower 04/18/2002 21:31:45 EDT   right 04/18/2002 21:31:51 EDT   they "think" 04/18/2002 21:32:00 EDT   that support will be broken 04/18/2002 21:32:04 EDT   Because they don't put stop loss orders in ubder their buys 04/18/2002 21:32:09 EDT   so buying support selling resistance is tough 04/18/2002 21:32:15 EDT   04/18/2002 21:33:03 EDT   because most think they will "breakout' 04/18/2002 21:33:14 EDT   the CM does the opposite 04/18/2002 21:33:19 EDT   he biuys support 04/18/2002 21:33:23 EDT   and sells resisatnce 04/18/2002 21:33:23 EDT   04/18/2002 21:33:49 EDT   so the fear of the market breaking out 04/18/2002 21:33:53 EDT   makes most traders 04/18/2002 21:33:57 EDT   not buy support 04/18/2002 21:34:01 EDT   and sell resiatnce 04/18/2002 21:34:21 EDT   Gary,when you were a floor trader did you know that or learn it from Mr. Wyckoff? 04/18/2002 21:34:34 EDT   both 04/18/2002 21:34:40 EDT   I saw it on the floor 04/18/2002 21:34:44 EDT   thanks sir 04/18/2002 21:34:49 EDT   and then when someone mentioned wyckoff to me 04/18/2002 21:34:54 EDT   I looked into it 04/18/2002 21:35:08 EDT   and found that is the trading aspect I subscribed to 04/18/2002 21:35:12 EDT   04/18/2002 21:35:12 EDT   one minute please 04/18/2002 21:35:47 EDT   does any one know the average age of a floor trader 04/18/2002 21:36:00 EDT   how well known is wyckoff in trading circles? 04/18/2002 21:36:23 EDT   25 04/18/2002 21:36:37 EDT   i have no idea dennis, I do know it is pretty young because of the stress involved 04/18/2002 21:36:57 EDT   I think he is more known then practised 04/18/2002 21:37:06 EDT   i am 45 and would'nt do it 04/18/2002 21:37:20 EDT   to much yelling lol 04/18/2002 21:37:32 EDT   hands move too fast 04/18/2002 21:37:51 EDT   im back sorry 04/18/2002 21:37:52 EDT   and if you scratch your nose wrong u buy 200000 shares of something 04/18/2002 21:37:56 EDT   lol 04/18/2002 21:38:02 EDT   out side of our group I have not met anyone who heard of wyckoff 04/18/2002 21:38:06 EDT   lol lol 04/18/2002 21:38:25 EDT   thats good dennis 04/18/2002 21:38:28 EDT   I like that 04/18/2002 21:38:29 EDT   lol 04/18/2002 21:38:40 EDT   better for us 04/18/2002 21:38:41 EDT   I would say the average trader is probably about 30-35 04/18/2002 21:38:48 EDT   U have traders in their 20's 04/18/2002 21:38:56 EDT   most people,Dennis that i even talk to about trading commodities think i am crazy 04/18/2002 21:38:57 EDT   but u have traders in thier 40 's as well 04/18/2002 21:39:07 EDT   gary, how widely do people use wyckoff 04/18/2002 21:39:18 EDT   do u have any idea? 04/18/2002 21:39:18 EDT   do u know wykoff isnt so well knon/ 04/18/2002 21:39:22 EDT   Isn't that part of the required qualification George :) 04/18/2002 21:39:26 EDT   not too myuch greg 04/18/2002 21:39:35 EDT   yes sir 04/18/2002 21:39:41 EDT   GOOD LOL 04/18/2002 21:39:44 EDT   :) 04/18/2002 21:40:03 EDT   do u know wyckoff isnt main stream 04/18/2002 21:40:09 EDT   Wyckoff takes work----most people don't want to work to understand the markets 04/18/2002 21:40:18 EDT   you are the only ones that i can talk to about that's why i don't like to miss any chats 04/18/2002 21:40:18 EDT   zack is right 04/18/2002 21:40:57 EDT   most people simply want to be told when to buy and sell 04/18/2002 21:40:58 EDT   Riunite and cigars for everyone 04/18/2002 21:41:08 EDT   most people 04/18/2002 21:41:13 EDT   yea george, my new best friend 04/18/2002 21:41:14 EDT   want a system to follow 04/18/2002 21:41:26 EDT   they want to :press a button" 04/18/2002 21:41:37 EDT   and they want the computer to tell them to buy or sell 04/18/2002 21:41:48 EDT   they dont want to understand market behavior 04/18/2002 21:41:58 EDT   You know Gary,that is common in most everything in life 04/18/2002 21:42:07 EDT   with people 04/18/2002 21:42:33 EDT   laziness is basic human nature 04/18/2002 21:42:45 EDT   we are the elite rah rah hooray 04/18/2002 21:42:48 EDT   that has to be faught against 04/18/2002 21:42:55 EDT   oh sorry emotions 04/18/2002 21:43:01 EDT   lol 04/18/2002 21:43:22 EDT   To the corner George---oh yes--bring the bottle please :):) 04/18/2002 21:43:24 EDT   wyckoff is the only method I know 04/18/2002 21:43:25 EDT   you are right Greg 04/18/2002 21:43:31 EDT   that allows u to look at market 04/18/2002 21:43:42 EDT   all u need is price action and volume 04/18/2002 21:43:44 EDT   i am staggering over as we speak 04/18/2002 21:43:52 EDT   what else is there besides those 2 things? 04/18/2002 21:44:05 EDT   04/18/2002 21:44:07 EDT   remember the cigars george lol 04/18/2002 21:44:13 EDT   u see price action and volume 04/18/2002 21:44:17 EDT   nothing else needed gary 04/18/2002 21:44:19 EDT   Proper application Gary :):) 04/18/2002 21:44:20 EDT   ok 04/18/2002 21:44:25 EDT   the news and reactione to it 04/18/2002 21:44:26 EDT   all the other inicators are lagging indicators 04/18/2002 21:44:33 EDT   ooohh, good point zack 04/18/2002 21:44:37 EDT   like RSI 04/18/2002 21:45:06 EDT   or is it the IRS lol 04/18/2002 21:45:25 EDT   lol 04/18/2002 21:45:34 EDT   I have been studying this for around 9 months now and am getting more comfortable with proper trading decisions 04/18/2002 21:45:53 EDT   price action when looked at properly with volume 04/18/2002 21:45:56 EDT   will tell u 04/18/2002 21:45:56 EDT   takes about a year i suppose 04/18/2002 21:46:02 EDT   what the amrket is saying 04/18/2002 21:46:08 EDT   what eslse can the pit do 04/18/2002 21:46:10 EDT   nothing 04/18/2002 21:46:19 EDT   traders trade differnt prices 04/18/2002 21:46:38 EDT   and they create volume right? 04/18/2002 21:46:43 EDT   right george 04/18/2002 21:46:48 EDT   right 04/18/2002 21:46:51 EDT   so those 2 factors 04/18/2002 21:46:56 EDT   are what decides markets 04/18/2002 21:47:02 EDT   the news 04/18/2002 21:47:12 EDT   gets traded by price action and volume 04/18/2002 21:47:19 EDT   as it gets digested by the markets right? 04/18/2002 21:47:28 EDT   y 04/18/2002 21:47:31 EDT   right 04/18/2002 21:47:58 EDT   y 04/18/2002 21:48:26 EDT   r 04/18/2002 21:48:27 EDT   so u dont need indicators 04/18/2002 21:48:36 EDT   u need market action and volume 04/18/2002 21:48:41 EDT   that sounds easy 04/18/2002 21:48:49 EDT   but it is hard to understand 04/18/2002 21:48:55 EDT   what the great miinds are doing 04/18/2002 21:48:57 EDT   yup 04/18/2002 21:49:21 EDT   i wholeheartedly agree with that gary 04/18/2002 21:49:27 EDT   Gary, I have a question for you if I may ? 04/18/2002 21:49:34 EDT   please ask 04/18/2002 21:49:41 EDT   the administrator at the hospital i worked at had to mortgage his house to pay for margin calls as he put it. when i told and explained that the wyckoff principles would help him he did not have time hmmm 04/18/2002 21:49:50 EDT   I just wanted to share wjhy I chose wyckoff 04/18/2002 21:50:08 EDT   04/18/2002 21:50:10 EDT   but u must work at it 04/18/2002 21:50:17 EDT   people are that way george 04/18/2002 21:50:17 EDT   annd most people are lazy 04/18/2002 21:50:22 EDT   yup 04/18/2002 21:50:28 EDT   so they dont follow wyckoff 04/18/2002 21:50:34 EDT   and thus not mainstram 04/18/2002 21:50:36 EDT   that is a fact 04/18/2002 21:50:38 EDT   too much work 04/18/2002 21:50:42 EDT   Go ahead colina---just jump in with your question :):) 04/18/2002 21:50:45 EDT   Since Rollo Tape is price movement associated with volume, has anyone attempted looking at Equivolume charts within the context of Rollo Tape ? 04/18/2002 21:50:51 EDT   and that si why it works :) 04/18/2002 21:50:51 EDT   please ask your q Colina 04/18/2002 21:50:53 EDT   sorry 04/18/2002 21:51:19 EDT   exaplin what u mean by equivolume/>? 04/18/2002 21:51:59 EDT   so everyon eis on the same wavelenghth 04/18/2002 21:52:01 EDT   Equivolume chart -> a tick s' width is volume while its height is price 04/18/2002 21:52:04 EDT   once u understand the markets and how to use wyckoff, things become much easier :) 04/18/2002 21:52:54 EDT   So the area of the tick is volume * price 04/18/2002 21:53:12 EDT   The bar' width is an indication of the volume, 04/18/2002 21:53:14 EDT   a day with big volume would show up as a wide price on the chart 04/18/2002 21:53:17 EDT   does everyone understand what colina asked? 04/18/2002 21:53:32 EDT   y 04/18/2002 21:53:40 EDT   ok, i got the question 04/18/2002 21:53:46 EDT   yes Maurice, such as GE did six days ago 04/18/2002 21:54:11 EDT   have u used it colina? 04/18/2002 21:54:19 EDT   what has been your experience? 04/18/2002 21:54:23 EDT   Dick Arms founded it 04/18/2002 21:54:39 EDT   Not sure--I thought a "tick" in commodities varied with each commodity as to a certain price change causing a new tick ?? 04/18/2002 21:54:42 EDT   yes dennis i am aware of it 04/18/2002 21:55:11 EDT   every commodity has a volume 04/18/2002 21:55:11 EDT   only a paper trader but I find it very easy to visualize a measure of momentum associated with price movement ? 04/18/2002 21:55:18 EDT   asccocaited with a price change 04/18/2002 21:55:22 EDT   04/18/2002 21:55:32 EDT   It is also a form of candlestick charting. (which I do like ) 04/18/2002 21:56:17 EDT   if you like I could send you some examples Gary ? But I really would like to learn Wyckoff 04/18/2002 21:56:25 EDT   so a price movenment in corn min tick 04/18/2002 21:56:27 EDT   It includes more information in a simple bar chart. 04/18/2002 21:56:30 EDT   u may have 100 contracts 04/18/2002 21:56:35 EDT   04/18/2002 21:56:43 EDT   in beans is may be 200 contracts for a kmin price tick 04/18/2002 21:56:46 EDT   Glad you addded the volume factor Gary---I left it out by accident--getting old I guess :):) 04/18/2002 21:56:55 EDT   User [firedog] left forum. 04/18/2002 21:57:03 EDT   not too old yet zack 04/18/2002 21:57:07 EDT   :) 04/18/2002 21:57:07 EDT   hi fd 04/18/2002 21:57:14 EDT   colina I am aware of it to a degree 04/18/2002 21:57:27 EDT   no george, its "bye FD" 04/18/2002 21:57:35 EDT   but I try not to mix with other ideas 04/18/2002 21:57:39 EDT   User [firedog] joined forum from 208.190.38.211 04/18/2002 21:57:46 EDT   when u paper traded it did u find it useful? 04/18/2002 21:57:51 EDT   oh sorry 04/18/2002 21:57:58 EDT   lol george 04/18/2002 21:58:03 EDT   :) 04/18/2002 21:58:15 EDT   too much of the good stuff lol 04/18/2002 21:58:25 EDT   yes but am in the infancy stage of trading :) 04/18/2002 21:58:42 EDT   as long as u keep sharing its ok 04/18/2002 21:58:42 EDT   lol 04/18/2002 21:58:50 EDT   okay if u dont mind sending it to me I can look at it 04/18/2002 21:59:10 EDT   sure ! 04/18/2002 21:59:31 EDT   my email is riskybiz99@aol.com 04/18/2002 21:59:33 EDT   Colina, do you use Metastock for charting? 04/18/2002 21:59:45 EDT   I have a good idea what it is 04/18/2002 21:59:51 EDT   but I want to be sure 04/18/2002 22:00:01 EDT   Erlanger Quote 04/18/2002 22:00:08 EDT   i was wondering about the reliability of the volume, from most data vendors, at least intraday 04/18/2002 22:00:22 EDT   ok, so quote.con 04/18/2002 22:00:37 EDT   excuse me, COM, and i didnt do that on purpose 04/18/2002 22:00:44 EDT   lol 04/18/2002 22:00:53 EDT   many have volume 04/18/2002 22:00:53 EDT   lol 04/18/2002 22:01:00 EDT   But most of it is NOT accurate 04/18/2002 22:01:10 EDT   so please be careful 04/18/2002 22:01:13 EDT   of acurate volume 04/18/2002 22:01:18 EDT   (does haveits problems eileen, especially with cancelled trades) 04/18/2002 22:01:55 EDT   particularly for commodities, problems with volume, many service including my own report only number ot trades only 04/18/2002 22:02:13 EDT   so i wiill be considering cqg at some point 04/18/2002 22:02:39 EDT   (big bucks) 04/18/2002 22:02:58 EDT   Sorry Gary, did not mean to side track you, thought I would ask thou 04/18/2002 22:02:58 EDT   QCG is the most accurate source of data according to gary, but it is also expensive (i checked into it) 04/18/2002 22:03:19 EDT   (CQG possibly) 04/18/2002 22:03:29 EDT   cqg is the best vendor 04/18/2002 22:03:39 EDT   thye have the most accurate price data and volume 04/18/2002 22:03:52 EDT   no colinia please ask any q 04/18/2002 22:03:57 EDT   that si fiine 04/18/2002 22:04:06 EDT   but i doint want toi comment until i see it 04/18/2002 22:04:12 EDT   well i am just outside chicago, close enough to gary's office that i had planned on inviting myself over some day to look check out his cqg 04/18/2002 22:04:13 EDT   though I have a good idea what it is 04/18/2002 22:04:39 EDT   Their EOD data volume is one day delayed, right? 04/18/2002 22:04:40 EDT   anytime u wish to see my CQG u are welcome 04/18/2002 22:04:47 EDT   lucky eileen 04/18/2002 22:04:52 EDT   u get tick data 04/18/2002 22:04:57 EDT   :) thanks,. ill bring donuts 04/18/2002 22:05:03 EDT   so u can get accurate volume to a great degree 04/18/2002 22:05:11 EDT   im on a diet but thanx :) 04/18/2002 22:05:28 EDT   need to get into a thong this summer LOL:) 04/18/2002 22:05:33 EDT   family over, see you all next week 04/18/2002 22:05:35 EDT   LOL 04/18/2002 22:05:36 EDT   User [firedog] left forum. 04/18/2002 22:05:39 EDT   CQG delays the volume one day Gary? 04/18/2002 22:05:41 EDT   bye fd 04/18/2002 22:05:49 EDT   04/18/2002 22:05:59 EDT   u cant get real voluem till the trades clear the next morning 04/18/2002 22:06:00 EDT   for kelly, right gary? 04/18/2002 22:06:39 EDT   The CME gives approximate volume in the evening. 04/18/2002 22:06:53 EDT   so the nvol is guestimate? 04/18/2002 22:07:03 EDT   with CQG? 04/18/2002 22:07:22 EDT   They call it tentative I think greg 04/18/2002 22:07:24 EDT   User [gary] joined forum from 204.233.213.78 04/18/2002 22:07:36 EDT   sorry 04/18/2002 22:07:40 EDT   On the CME wbsite. 04/18/2002 22:07:42 EDT   i got disconnected 04/18/2002 22:07:59 EDT   tentative, guesstimate, same thing lol 04/18/2002 22:08:25 EDT   u cant get real volume till the nxt day when trades clear 04/18/2002 22:08:42 EDT   but u get tick volume 04/18/2002 22:08:43 EDT   yes greg, but better then my guess lol 04/18/2002 22:08:43 EDT   CQG vol during the day is not confirmed till next day, but it must be pretty close to right, correct gary? 04/18/2002 22:08:49 EDT   u can get a good guestimate 04/18/2002 22:08:58 EDT   also the floor can give u the volume 04/18/2002 22:09:03 EDT   Where do i get tick data Gary? 04/18/2002 22:09:07 EDT   better than my guess too maurice lol 04/18/2002 22:09:12 EDT   right greg 04/18/2002 22:09:17 EDT   Still haven't found it 04/18/2002 22:09:21 EDT   i know cgq has it 04/18/2002 22:09:31 EDT   I dont know who else has it 04/18/2002 22:09:43 EDT   Can't afford CQG lol 04/18/2002 22:09:52 EDT   not yet maurice 04/18/2002 22:09:53 EDT   there may be others 04/18/2002 22:09:57 EDT   ;) 04/18/2002 22:10:07 EDT   your broker can get u volume as he /she gets it 04/18/2002 22:10:13 EDT   the boards on the floor have it 04/18/2002 22:10:23 EDT   And without tick data I may never be able to afford it roflmao 04/18/2002 22:10:28 EDT   just ask your broker and he / she can tell u 04/18/2002 22:10:35 EDT   lol 04/18/2002 22:10:59 EDT   what is foflmao? 04/18/2002 22:11:09 EDT   roflmao? 04/18/2002 22:11:12 EDT   that si why I follow wyckoff because it is the best way to look at markets 04/18/2002 22:11:24 EDT   laughing real hard greg 04/18/2002 22:11:33 EDT   thanks 04/18/2002 22:12:03 EDT   are we cklear on upthrust and springs 04/18/2002 22:12:06 EDT   rolling on the floor laughing my a.. o 04/18/2002 22:12:16 EDT   as well as why I follow wyckoff/ 04/18/2002 22:12:18 EDT   off 04/18/2002 22:12:18 EDT   lol Eileen 04/18/2002 22:12:18 EDT   aahh. got it, thanks 04/18/2002 22:12:22 EDT   did i miss the part about why you do this? 04/18/2002 22:12:27 EDT   yes 04/18/2002 22:12:38 EDT   ok, ill check bak 04/18/2002 22:12:46 EDT   eielenn cleaned it up like a beautiful young women should holland 04/18/2002 22:12:53 EDT   i tried gary 04/18/2002 22:13:03 EDT   do u mean the class or why i study wyckoff eileen.? 04/18/2002 22:13:07 EDT   I know u do :) 04/18/2002 22:13:16 EDT   eileen, u got the point across, thank you 04/18/2002 22:13:56 EDT   eileen which one please? 04/18/2002 22:14:03 EDT   the class or why I use wyckoff? 04/18/2002 22:14:26 EDT   no i thought we were going to get the stoyr of how you came to use wyckoff 04/18/2002 22:14:39 EDT   like a revelation 04/18/2002 22:14:39 EDT   ahh 04/18/2002 22:14:42 EDT   life changing experience 04/18/2002 22:14:42 EDT   I can tell u 04/18/2002 22:14:51 EDT   flash before your eyes 04/18/2002 22:14:54 EDT   i worked as a runner on the floor 04/18/2002 22:15:01 EDT   I got paid very pooly 04/18/2002 22:15:05 EDT   with the one legged guy 04/18/2002 22:15:05 EDT   like under min wage 04/18/2002 22:15:09 EDT   lol 04/18/2002 22:15:15 EDT   lol 04/18/2002 22:15:23 EDT   so I looked at traders and what they did 04/18/2002 22:15:25 EDT   lol 04/18/2002 22:15:33 EDT   I was in school to be a Bio medical engineer 04/18/2002 22:15:38 EDT   but my best freind 04/18/2002 22:15:44 EDT   how old were you? 04/18/2002 22:15:49 EDT   said can i help out oin the summer 04/18/2002 22:15:52 EDT   so I said sure 04/18/2002 22:15:55 EDT   I ahted it 04/18/2002 22:16:02 EDT   I was 23 04/18/2002 22:16:10 EDT   almost 23 04/18/2002 22:16:28 EDT   I said screwed being a runner 04/18/2002 22:16:36 EDT   this wont make any money 04/18/2002 22:16:44 EDT   what pit? 04/18/2002 22:16:49 EDT   so I ran errands fore brokers 04/18/2002 22:16:56 EDT   I will get their eieleen 04/18/2002 22:16:59 EDT   oh ok 04/18/2002 22:17:07 EDT   U asked a question and i am answring u :) 04/18/2002 22:17:13 EDT   i talk alot 04/18/2002 22:17:17 EDT   lol 04/18/2002 22:17:22 EDT   Yep :) 04/18/2002 22:17:22 EDT   lol 04/18/2002 22:17:26 EDT   fast too 04/18/2002 22:17:29 EDT   :) 04/18/2002 22:17:31 EDT   one broker in the pork belly pit 04/18/2002 22:17:32 EDT   lol 04/18/2002 22:17:46 EDT   had a sister that was married to a surgeon 04/18/2002 22:17:56 EDT   she used to have alot of affaiirs 04/18/2002 22:18:04 EDT   which her husband didnt like 04/18/2002 22:18:13 EDT   but it would be too exp to divorce her 04/18/2002 22:18:23 EDT   oh no 04/18/2002 22:18:25 EDT   hit money? 04/18/2002 22:18:33 EDT   so her brother asked me if I could help her learn to trade 04/18/2002 22:18:34 EDT   lol 04/18/2002 22:18:37 EDT   you bought your seat with hit money? 04/18/2002 22:18:43 EDT   No No NO 04/18/2002 22:18:55 EDT   roflol 04/18/2002 22:18:57 EDT   I said sure 04/18/2002 22:19:09 EDT   but I was a runner and didnt know how to trade 04/18/2002 22:19:20 EDT   lol 04/18/2002 22:19:31 EDT   so I looked at the pit 04/18/2002 22:19:31 EDT   and saw what they did 04/18/2002 22:19:39 EDT   I looked at a tech chart 04/18/2002 22:19:44 EDT   didnt know what it said 04/18/2002 22:20:01 EDT   but a freind of mine did all the tech work for Barry Lind of lind waldock 04/18/2002 22:20:10 EDT   so he helped me 04/18/2002 22:20:22 EDT   I thought 04/18/2002 22:20:31 EDT   that there was volume in theit 04/18/2002 22:20:35 EDT   and priced moved 04/18/2002 22:20:40 EDT   so I went ot the CME 04/18/2002 22:21:05 EDT   and they had a sales by price 04/18/2002 22:21:10 EDT   I made a histogram 04/18/2002 22:21:14 EDT   of price and volume 04/18/2002 22:21:26 EDT   because I thought that traders traded at certain prices 04/18/2002 22:21:47 EDT   and wjat I saw was that theree was volue differnce at certain prices 04/18/2002 22:22:02 EDT   i thought that is strnge 04/18/2002 22:22:08 EDT   but then I thought 04/18/2002 22:22:13 EDT   there UST be a reason 04/18/2002 22:22:23 EDT   why traders will by at certain prices 04/18/2002 22:22:29 EDT   so when I saw a big number 04/18/2002 22:22:37 EDT   that was under support 04/18/2002 22:22:39 EDT   I would BUY 04/18/2002 22:22:49 EDT   when I saw a big volume above the market i would sell 04/18/2002 22:23:02 EDT   I did this and this women made moneyey 04/18/2002 22:23:10 EDT   some brokers heard that she was making money 04/18/2002 22:23:18 EDT   so they asked me to work for them 04/18/2002 22:23:20 EDT   I did 04/18/2002 22:23:27 EDT   I made money for them 04/18/2002 22:23:41 EDT   then a larger trader said if I could make money for him 04/18/2002 22:23:49 EDT   he would sponsor me for my seat 04/18/2002 22:23:51 EDT   what do you mean a big number? 04/18/2002 22:23:55 EDT   and that is how I got my seat 04/18/2002 22:24:13 EDT   a big volue number 04/18/2002 22:24:13 EDT   A large voluime? 04/18/2002 22:24:22 EDT   yes 04/18/2002 22:24:33 EDT   you mean like a spring? 04/18/2002 22:24:44 EDT   or upthrust 04/18/2002 22:24:48 EDT   no 04/18/2002 22:24:59 EDT   lets say beans are at 400 04/18/2002 22:25:02 EDT   You sorta rediscovered Wyckoff. great! 04/18/2002 22:25:04 EDT   at 399 volume was 2k 04/18/2002 22:25:09 EDT   So essentially you were buying an SC and sellin a BC and didn't know it at the time :):) 04/18/2002 22:25:14 EDT   at 398 volume was 3 k 04/18/2002 22:25:22 EDT   and at 395 the volume was at 10 k 04/18/2002 22:25:37 EDT   On a short time frame 04/18/2002 22:25:37 EDT   so I htought that if the previous day 04/18/2002 22:25:48 EDT   if the biggest volume was at 395 04/18/2002 22:25:55 EDT   and the market closed at 400 04/18/2002 22:26:04 EDT   that the large volume at 395 meant somehting 04/18/2002 22:26:10 EDT   and if the market retest 395 04/18/2002 22:26:17 EDT   they will supprt that area again 04/18/2002 22:26:34 EDT   make sense/.? 04/18/2002 22:26:39 EDT   yup 04/18/2002 22:26:42 EDT   if I saw the big volume at 404 04/18/2002 22:26:46 EDT   I would sell there 04/18/2002 22:27:03 EDT   my thought process is that the big boys went Home with profit 04/18/2002 22:27:06 EDT   and the next day 04/18/2002 22:27:07 EDT   u were following the CM and didnt know it 04/18/2002 22:27:12 EDT   they would support that area again 04/18/2002 22:27:18 EDT   yes greg 04/18/2002 22:27:24 EDT   so i was following wyckoff 04/18/2002 22:27:30 EDT   take that out 04/18/2002 22:27:40 EDT   I was looking at volume and price 04/18/2002 22:27:49 EDT   and a tech trader said I should look at wyckoff 04/18/2002 22:27:50 EDT   User [George] joined forum from 65.69.98.201 04/18/2002 22:28:02 EDT   so in the library they had the course 04/18/2002 22:28:05 EDT   I read it 04/18/2002 22:28:07 EDT   04/18/2002 22:28:10 EDT   it was free to em :) 04/18/2002 22:28:24 EDT   me 04/18/2002 22:28:26 EDT   User [george] joined forum from 65.69.98.201 04/18/2002 22:28:29 EDT   so I learned wyckoff 04/18/2002 22:28:34 EDT   and the rest is history 04/18/2002 22:28:41 EDT   george, u missed a great story, check the archives tomorrow 04/18/2002 22:28:53 EDT   I am sorry to bore u 04/18/2002 22:29:02 EDT   no no 04/18/2002 22:29:03 EDT   yea i got disconnected right after my ? 04/18/2002 22:29:06 EDT   this is very interesting 04/18/2002 22:29:07 EDT   but that is how I discovered wyckoff 04/18/2002 22:29:10 EDT   i am glad you told it 04/18/2002 22:29:18 EDT   I thought what I saw was price action and volume 04/18/2002 22:29:23 EDT   at cetian prices 04/18/2002 22:29:26 EDT   So did you then marry this woman and live happy ever after? 04/18/2002 22:29:31 EDT   and that big boys bought at some prices 04/18/2002 22:29:36 EDT   and didnt buy at others 04/18/2002 22:29:38 EDT   I said why 04/18/2002 22:29:45 EDT   and they i releized hat they would do 04/18/2002 22:29:55 EDT   No No NO 04/18/2002 22:30:10 EDT   but she let me use her home in vail for skiing 04/18/2002 22:30:17 EDT   I didnt have an affair with hee 04/18/2002 22:30:18 EDT   her 04/18/2002 22:30:21 EDT   User [George] left forum. 04/18/2002 22:30:21 EDT   No springs and upthrusts? 04/18/2002 22:30:28 EDT   eileen, u should check the archives for the story on the one legged runner and the one armed trader 04/18/2002 22:30:34 EDT   LOL 04/18/2002 22:30:37 EDT   04/18/2002 22:30:37 EDT   Shhhhh---Kelly might be watching LOL 04/18/2002 22:30:40 EDT   its pretty funny 04/18/2002 22:30:47 EDT   I prob was the only one that didnt LOL 04/18/2002 22:30:49 EDT   lol 04/18/2002 22:30:52 EDT   she see the logs 04/18/2002 22:31:02 EDT   I wasnt married to my ex wife the either 04/18/2002 22:31:05 EDT   there really was a one legged runner? i thought you were kidding 04/18/2002 22:31:13 EDT   nope 04/18/2002 22:31:27 EDT   i wasnt kidding 04/18/2002 22:31:29 EDT   eieleen I am really nice and not mean 04/18/2002 22:31:38 EDT   its a funny story 04/18/2002 22:31:39 EDT   so I cant retell that LOL 04/18/2002 22:31:45 EDT   I have many stories 04/18/2002 22:31:49 EDT   oh good 04/18/2002 22:31:54 EDT   that would make ya laugh 04/18/2002 22:32:06 EDT   i would like to hear them 04/18/2002 22:32:23 EDT   next thursday :) 04/18/2002 22:32:34 EDT   I will tell stories 04/18/2002 22:32:37 EDT   i think you should officially designate third thursday of every month as Story Hour 04/18/2002 22:32:39 EDT   didnt mean to start something gary 04/18/2002 22:32:39 EDT   onthurdays 04/18/2002 22:32:41 EDT   next thursday is ok too 04/18/2002 22:32:46 EDT   1 story per thursday 04/18/2002 22:32:59 EDT   great 04/18/2002 22:33:03 EDT   okay eileen deal 04/18/2002 22:33:05 EDT   actually I was thinking every monday for story time lol 04/18/2002 22:33:10 EDT   u didnt greg 04/18/2002 22:33:28 EDT   lol 04/18/2002 22:33:43 EDT   your stories are funny gary 04/18/2002 22:33:45 EDT   Hey that's an idea eileen---George, you bring the bottle--greg can bring the pretzels and Joe K can act as bartender LOL 04/18/2002 22:33:49 EDT   they are true 04/18/2002 22:33:55 EDT   lol 04/18/2002 22:33:56 EDT   something to keep me motivated as i muddle my way through the archives 04/18/2002 22:34:03 EDT   :) 04/18/2002 22:34:04 EDT   sounds good zack lol 04/18/2002 22:34:10 EDT   thats what makes them funny gary 04/18/2002 22:34:13 EDT   that is how I found wyckoff 04/18/2002 22:34:17 EDT   why i do this chat? 04/18/2002 22:34:22 EDT   2 reasons 04/18/2002 22:34:23 EDT   i will supply the bottles 04/18/2002 22:34:33 EDT   1) I have alot of time LOL 04/18/2002 22:34:36 EDT   naw 04/18/2002 22:34:42 EDT   1 04/18/2002 22:34:49 EDT   because I love wyckoff 04/18/2002 22:35:00 EDT   and it helps me understand it better when I talk about it 04/18/2002 22:35:06 EDT   2) 04/18/2002 22:35:15 EDT   colina---if you have the time may I suggest you do as eileen is doing and read the archives---there is a wealth of information there :):) 04/18/2002 22:35:19 EDT   i dont solicit 04/18/2002 22:35:25 EDT   business 04/18/2002 22:35:27 EDT   And do come back to class :):) 04/18/2002 22:35:31 EDT   I am a broker 04/18/2002 22:35:40 EDT   and if i can earns ones buinsess 04/18/2002 22:35:46 EDT   I would love to have them trad ewith me 04/18/2002 22:35:54 EDT   It's nice to have some ladies here with some of us old foggies :):) 04/18/2002 22:35:55 EDT   but I want to be able to help someone 04/18/2002 22:35:55 EDT   i was once told that if u teach a subject, u actually learn the subject twice 04/18/2002 22:36:02 EDT   or else i dont want to be their broker 04/18/2002 22:36:11 EDT   if I can help them 04/18/2002 22:36:21 EDT   true greg 04/18/2002 22:36:23 EDT   so if they like wyckoff 04/18/2002 22:36:24 EDT   (Yes Zack I have already started, very intereting material ) 04/18/2002 22:36:25 EDT   i will second that zack 04/18/2002 22:36:34 EDT   I would prefer them to use me to eb their broker 04/18/2002 22:36:45 EDT   that is my 2 reasond 04/18/2002 22:36:51 EDT   reasons 04/18/2002 22:37:05 EDT   besides kelly learned to do a website from scratch 04/18/2002 22:37:19 EDT   it cost me alot of money to archive this chat 04/18/2002 22:37:30 EDT   otherwise it would be free for the cht 04/18/2002 22:37:34 EDT   chat 04/18/2002 22:37:44 EDT   But i want u to have it archived 04/18/2002 22:37:53 EDT   also for gov purposes 04/18/2002 22:37:55 EDT   when you are around someone who really loves what they do, and they have a lot of experience with it, you pick some of it up without even trying through osmosis 04/18/2002 22:37:58 EDT   i have read through them all gary, your effort is not wasted :) 04/18/2002 22:37:58 EDT   I need to have a copy 04/18/2002 22:38:04 EDT   so i appreciate your dedication 04/18/2002 22:38:06 EDT   as it goes under solictation 04/18/2002 22:38:26 EDT   true eileen 04/18/2002 22:38:35 EDT   it is all free 04/18/2002 22:38:41 EDT   and will remain so 04/18/2002 22:38:44 EDT   I hope LOL 04/18/2002 22:38:49 EDT   (thanks Zack, it will be some time before I come up to speed) 04/18/2002 22:38:54 EDT   I provide all the charts and info 04/18/2002 22:39:08 EDT   and a toll free number and email to help 04/18/2002 22:39:11 EDT   it may be faster than u think colina 04/18/2002 22:39:34 EDT   Ihate it when clients lose money 04/18/2002 22:39:38 EDT   keeps me up at night 04/18/2002 22:39:45 EDT   anyway 04/18/2002 22:39:51 EDT   maurice asked about day trading 04/18/2002 22:40:13 EDT   u sue the opening range as your pivot as I discussed 04/18/2002 22:40:20 EDT   u use 04/18/2002 22:40:23 EDT   nt sue 04/18/2002 22:40:26 EDT   not 04/18/2002 22:40:28 EDT   yikes 04/18/2002 22:40:39 EDT   and above it u are a buyer 04/18/2002 22:40:42 EDT   under it a seller 04/18/2002 22:40:49 EDT   U should have the time fram in mind too 04/18/2002 22:41:01 EDT   if yesterday was a weak day lets say in the s and p 500 04/18/2002 22:41:08 EDT   the rally probbaly will fail today 04/18/2002 22:41:17 EDT   so u would be more inclined 04/18/2002 22:41:34 EDT   to sell it under the opening range 04/18/2002 22:41:44 EDT   U always check for strenghth and weakness intraday 04/18/2002 22:42:11 EDT   if the market reacts off support better than resiatnce 04/18/2002 22:42:16 EDT   than u look to buy 04/18/2002 22:42:25 EDT   but the opening range is key and pivotable 04/18/2002 22:43:13 EDT   but the day before is important 04/18/2002 22:43:16 EDT   04/18/2002 22:43:22 EDT   as the support and resisatnce does tend to hold 04/18/2002 22:43:35 EDT   at least in the early part of the next day 04/18/2002 22:43:49 EDT   then it takes on its own charateristics 04/18/2002 22:44:07 EDT   buying a retest of the prev days lows or support 04/18/2002 22:44:17 EDT   should provide a decent trade 04/18/2002 22:44:23 EDT   at least intially 04/18/2002 22:44:27 EDT   and vice versa 04/18/2002 22:44:46 EDT   04/18/2002 22:44:48 EDT   The pivot point of the prev, Day is H+L+V / 3 ? 04/18/2002 22:44:53 EDT   but the day before has relavence 04/18/2002 22:44:59 EDT   especailly to pit traders 04/18/2002 22:45:13 EDT   I am talking about pivot meaning the opening range 04/18/2002 22:45:20 EDT   that formula is used 04/18/2002 22:45:23 EDT   and I guess it is okay 04/18/2002 22:45:27 EDT   though I dont use it 04/18/2002 22:45:38 EDT   buy above opening range 04/18/2002 22:45:43 EDT   sell under oppening range 04/18/2002 22:45:50 EDT   You use the opneing of the present day 04/18/2002 22:45:54 EDT   Gary, if I may ask one more question, is there a distinction between 'opening range' and 'opening price' ? 04/18/2002 22:46:04 EDT   yes maurice 04/18/2002 22:46:20 EDT   go back and look at todays actions and see how many market made thier high or low on the opening 04/18/2002 22:46:38 EDT   a small differnce generally colina 04/18/2002 22:46:48 EDT   in corn price range may be 1 /4 of a cent 04/18/2002 22:46:55 EDT   in sna dp it can be 100 points 04/18/2002 22:47:17 EDT   colina ask any time 04/18/2002 22:47:31 EDT   Gary--may I interject a short comment with respect to learning Wyckoff for some of our new visitors ?? 04/18/2002 22:47:34 EDT   I personally use opening Price 04/18/2002 22:47:38 EDT   But many use opening range 04/18/2002 22:47:55 EDT   thats how I day trade maurice 04/18/2002 22:47:56 EDT   i guess i am pretty confused about this part 04/18/2002 22:47:59 EDT   understand? 04/18/2002 22:48:11 EDT   /Sometimes there is more then one opening price. 04/18/2002 22:48:14 EDT   always use over night highs and lows 04/18/2002 22:48:22 EDT   as support and rsiatnce too 04/18/2002 22:48:34 EDT   and prev days 04/18/2002 22:48:37 EDT   as u day trade 04/18/2002 22:48:42 EDT   How do I get overnight prices 04/18/2002 22:48:47 EDT   in NY only maurice 04/18/2002 22:48:54 EDT   take the first price traded 04/18/2002 22:48:59 EDT   fedex lol 04/18/2002 22:49:10 EDT   futuresource.com has them 04/18/2002 22:49:19 EDT   LOL goerge 04/18/2002 22:49:19 EDT   tx George lo 04/18/2002 22:49:25 EDT   george 04/18/2002 22:49:30 EDT   i dont understand that at all maurice, how can there be more than one opening price for the S&P? 04/18/2002 22:49:43 EDT   i had to couldn't help myself 04/18/2002 22:49:46 EDT   lol george 04/18/2002 22:50:15 EDT   it can only open once per day 04/18/2002 22:50:35 EDT   Not the S&P greg, but theNy commodities They open twice . reqlly 04/18/2002 22:50:49 EDT   oh, ok 04/18/2002 22:51:00 EDT   take the first price 04/18/2002 22:51:11 EDT   thanks maurice 04/18/2002 22:51:15 EDT   :) 04/18/2002 22:51:15 EDT   OK---some other Thursday will someone remind me to comment for our new friends 04/18/2002 22:51:17 EDT   did that help on day trading? 04/18/2002 22:51:38 EDT   where's eileens question :) 04/18/2002 22:51:46 EDT   question gary? 04/18/2002 22:51:50 EDT   did she ask one? 04/18/2002 22:51:53 EDT   okay 04/18/2002 22:51:56 EDT   not yet 04/18/2002 22:51:56 EDT   please 04/18/2002 22:51:56 EDT   on the biomed engineering 04/18/2002 22:52:04 EDT   Yes thanks Gary very much and I will read the archives as well. 04/18/2002 22:52:04 EDT   lol 04/18/2002 22:52:20 EDT   good maurice 04/18/2002 22:52:25 EDT   okay? 04/18/2002 22:52:36 EDT   do you spend any time looking at biotech companies at all? 04/18/2002 22:52:42 EDT   I was a paramedic in college and was going to go to med school 04/18/2002 22:52:49 EDT   do you find yourself drifting back to it at all? 04/18/2002 22:52:52 EDT   But I still don't have access to real time non-CBOT prices. 04/18/2002 22:52:55 EDT   yes i do to a degree 04/18/2002 22:53:09 EDT   No i dont drift back to it 04/18/2002 22:53:19 EDT   but I do look at charts of some bio tech firms 04/18/2002 22:53:34 EDT   I loo k at the stock 04/18/2002 22:53:44 EDT   try CQG maurice lol 04/18/2002 22:53:46 EDT   but I dont want to make a carrer at it 04/18/2002 22:54:25 EDT   does that help? 04/18/2002 22:54:30 EDT   Greg, go into the corenr. pointe hat time lol 04/18/2002 22:54:38 EDT   roflol 04/18/2002 22:54:43 EDT   yes was just wondering how much of that stayed with you 04/18/2002 22:54:53 EDT   too late maurice, i/\\ 04/18/2002 22:54:54 EDT   04/18/2002 22:55:06 EDT   i'm already in the corner 04/18/2002 22:55:08 EDT   not much 04/18/2002 22:55:09 EDT   lol 04/18/2002 22:55:21 EDT   I like this too much 04/18/2002 22:55:21 EDT   no beer for you 04/18/2002 22:55:43 EDT   aw, now that hurt maurice :( 04/18/2002 22:55:43 EDT   lol 04/18/2002 22:55:43 EDT   greg drank all the riunite and zack took my cigars 04/18/2002 22:55:48 EDT   :( 04/18/2002 22:55:55 EDT   LOL 04/18/2002 22:56:08 EDT   lol 04/18/2002 22:56:11 EDT   asorry to bore u tonight 04/18/2002 22:56:19 EDT   but it i thursday 04/18/2002 22:56:31 EDT   any other questions? 04/18/2002 22:56:38 EDT   That'll teach u fer buin' Havanas george :) 04/18/2002 22:56:48 EDT   if u dont mind I will sneak out now I need to call my parents and do some charts 04/18/2002 22:56:50 EDT   lol 04/18/2002 22:56:58 EDT   wasnt boring , like Story Hour with Uncle Gary 04/18/2002 22:57:03 EDT   lol 04/18/2002 22:57:05 EDT   so i will see u all on tuesday night 04/18/2002 22:57:06 EDT   lol 04/18/2002 22:57:10 EDT   thanks gary good night all 04/18/2002 22:57:13 EDT   LOL 04/18/2002 22:57:14 EDT   Thanks gary, very much 04/18/2002 22:57:16 EDT   Thanks GARY and good night. 04/18/2002 22:57:17 EDT   good night Gary 04/18/2002 22:57:19 EDT   have a great weekend 04/18/2002 22:57:20 EDT   zack wanted to point out something 04/18/2002 22:57:20 EDT   Thanks Gary--take care everyone and goodnight 04/18/2002 22:57:22 EDT   nite everybody 04/18/2002 22:57:24 EDT   thank u:) 04/18/2002 22:57:26 EDT   User [Lacey...] left forum. 04/18/2002 22:57:26 EDT   04/18/2002 22:57:26 EDT   by gary 04/18/2002 22:57:27 EDT   good night 04/18/2002 22:57:30 EDT   User [gary] left forum.