User [gary fullett /172.138.78.199] joined forum on Wed Jul 12 21:08:01 EDT 2000
<mrj> Hello Gary
<gary fullett> good evening soory I am late
<gary fullett> out working in the yard
<gary fullett> and lost track of time
<mrj> growing grass
<Capt> They slamed into the 541 and bounced like they hit a hot skillet
<mrj> :)
<lmarsh> hi gary
<gary fullett> now trying to build a deck
<mrj> you or Kelley
<mrj>
<gary fullett> whats that capt?
<gary fullett> Kelly mostly I am suopervising
<Capt> Beans
<gary fullett> the project
<mrj> lol
<gary fullett> 541?
<gary fullett> u mean 451
<Capt> yep
<gary fullett> okay
<gary fullett> mant people read the lof
<gary fullett> many
<gary fullett> log
<Capt> yep
<gary fullett> so I wanted to make sure before I get bombarded with questions on the price of beans :)
<gary fullett> any questions?
<gary fullett> I wanted to talk on the beans today
<Capt> k
<gary fullett> it was a very very interesting day
<gary fullett> questions first anyone?
<mrj> n
<gary fullett> okay
<Capt> n
<gary fullett> one of the things that is very important
<gary fullett> to wyckoff
<lmarsh> not really, just trying to gather thoughts,....figure out what may be next
<gary fullett> and I mentioned it many many times
<gary fullett> is how a market
<gary fullett> reacts when it gets to a support and a resisatnce
<gary fullett> did any of you watch the bean market today?
<Capt> yes I did
<gary fullett> great capt
<gary fullett> did u watch how the market reacted for the report?
<Capt> yes
<Capt> iw watched 5 min.bars
<gary fullett> it opened up at the the 455 area
<gary fullett> after a slightly neg report
<gary fullett> it rallied a bit then it broke
<gary fullett> it went to an area that we identifed as support
<gary fullett> the 453 area
<gary fullett> I have mentioned this area several times
<gary fullett> last yrs lows
<gary fullett> the went to the 451 1/2 area
<gary fullett> I have a question why didnt the market go under and get the stops under the 450 area?
<Capt> ?
<gary fullett> if traders wnated to they could have sold and hit the sell stops and wipe those people out
<mrj>
<lmarsh>
<gary fullett> I belive it was the CM
<gary fullett> or composite man
<gary fullett> that "knew" a rally was immenient
<gary fullett> and he couldnt wait
<gary fullett> when the market opened up
<gary fullett> the volume was
<gary fullett> light
<gary fullett> and it drifted lower
<gary fullett> I had several clients that called me and asked "if I like beans at 453"
<gary fullett> since it was support
<gary fullett> I saif "i didnt like the action because demand was evident"
<gary fullett> wasnt
<gary fullett> not was evident
<gary fullett> but I then said " I dont see supply
<gary fullett> if there was supply
<gary fullett> the market would have hit stops under 450
<gary fullett> and gone to mr J next support at 446 1/2
<gary fullett> and flushed them out
<gary fullett> but the Cm saw
<gary fullett> that the market lacked supplt
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<gary fullett> supply
<gary fullett> so since the beans lacked
<gary fullett> supply
<mrj> hey joe
<Joe K> Hey everyone
<gary fullett> the cm ran it up
<gary fullett> hey Joe
<gary fullett> u must have heard your ears ringing
<gary fullett> :)
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<lmarsh> :)
<mrj> hi guest
<gary fullett> so with no supply buying came in and the market ralied
<gary fullett> why did the market rally
<gary fullett> if the report said record beans
<gary fullett> ?
<gary fullett> it should have broke hard on it way to 400
<gary fullett> someone bought ?
<gary fullett> who do u think?
<mrj> bad news is out
<Joe K> its priced in already, the CM took the lead
<gary fullett> biught support in the beans today?
<Capt> to make me nervous
<Guest> <Enter Text Here>
<Guest>
<Guest> hi all
<Joe K> hey guest
<lmarsh> hi
<gary fullett> well the Cm "knows" the news
<gary fullett> and we can follow them by watching how they trade it
<gary fullett> true mj j
<Capt> good point
<gary fullett> this is a case where the bad news induces selling at the lows into support
<Joe K> when we are in a range, why do the CM and Supply, keep taking turns ?
<gary fullett> great question Joe
<gary fullett> in a trading range
<gary fullett> cm buys support sells resistance
<gary fullett> so the cm creates both
<gary fullett> supply and demand
<gary fullett> he buys and sells buys and sell
<gary fullett> all the time
<gary fullett> when the News is ready to break out of this range he moves it
<gary fullett> but he has his postion
<gary fullett> and when bullish news comes out he is long already who do u think Buys bullish news?
<mrj> us
<gary fullett> the public and funds
<gary fullett> the trick is to,identify
<gary fullett> support
<Joe K> specs
User [MarketWizard /216.67.37.50] joined forum on Wed Jul 12 21:27:21 EDT 2000
<gary fullett> and accumulation
<mrj> Hi MW
<gary fullett> and when u identify
<gary fullett> it
<MarketWizard> Hi
<gary fullett> hod your postition
<Guest> hi
<gary fullett> if u r bullish
<gary fullett> wait for the J ump over the creek
<gary fullett> so would the Cm sell 453 today?
<Joe K> no
<Capt> no
<gary fullett> what would he do there?
<Guest> great call on hogs mw
<Capt> buy
<MarketWizard> That was easy
<Joe K> buy support
<gary fullett> yeah real easy aftr a limit down yesterday :)
<gary fullett> stevie wonder saw that :)
<MarketWizard> Yes it was
<gary fullett> yes he does Joe
<gary fullett> he alwasys buys support
<gary fullett> so what should we do?
<Capt> buy support
<Joe K> buy along side the Cm
<gary fullett> YEP
<Joe K> Gary a question
<gary fullett> even though fundamentals do influence
<gary fullett> markets to a degree there has to be a prep time
<gary fullett> 1 sec joe
<lmarsh>
<MarketWizard> Gary this one isnt so easy, ADU bottomed to rally and SPU topped today.
<gary fullett> a market cant make new highs
<gary fullett> then new lows without prep time
<gary fullett> they need to build cause
<gary fullett> and this is done thru a trading range
<gary fullett> the other day when beans went to 453 and rallied 15 cents
<gary fullett> someone asked me
<gary fullett> if i thought it was a sc
<gary fullett> I said I didnt like the volume off the bottom but action was okay
<gary fullett> so the market wasnt ready
<gary fullett> yet
<gary fullett> and needed to build cause and retest the lows
<gary fullett> so now the market
<gary fullett> has some casue
<gary fullett> if beans get above 474
<gary fullett> they can fo to 505
<gary fullett> understand this?
<Capt> y
<gary fullett> I will go over this example in coffee in a minute
<gary fullett> joe question?
<Joe K> Yesterday you mentioned we could create a Spring in the 440-450 range
<gary fullett> yep
<Joe K> Would the CM do this to decieve his intensions
<gary fullett> ut u must buy support at 453 stop at 428 area
<gary fullett> YES
<Joe K> and then creat a AR ?
<gary fullett> sometimes the Cm sees that supply
<gary fullett> doesnt come it
<gary fullett> if u watched beans today
<gary fullett> the break was on light volume and small price range
<gary fullett> I mentioend that to clients today :)
<gary fullett> and I said 453 should be bought but it is an iffy trade
<gary fullett> and that
<gary fullett> u must risk the spring to the 428 area
<gary fullett> I am soory I am saying 428
<gary fullett> I mean 438
<gary fullett> 15 cent risk
<gary fullett> because u never know if u will get a spring
<gary fullett> but u must protect
<gary fullett> and stay far enough away
<gary fullett> so u dont get jabbed out
<gary fullett> when the market went abobe 457 u could raise
<gary fullett> the stop to under the low of the day
<gary fullett> so all support should be bouight with a stop
<gary fullett> if u dont like the reaction from support get out
<gary fullett> or raise your stop
<gary fullett> if u bought 453
<gary fullett> what was your risk
<Capt> 750
<gary fullett> 75 dollars !!!!!
<gary fullett> i mena from 453 to the low at 451 /12
<Capt> k
<gary fullett> yes the stop should have been at 438
<gary fullett> meaning 750 bucks
<gary fullett> but that wasnt threatned
<gary fullett> now where is resisatnce?
<gary fullett> we Know support
<Joe K> 474
<Joe K> 473
<gary fullett> why 474?
<gary fullett> why there
<gary fullett> previous support Now ressiatnce
<MarketWizard> The Gap
<gary fullett> forget the gap
<mrj> Gary: the low on the weekly continuation chart for the week of 2-26-99 was 449 which I believe was Preliminary Supply
<gary fullett> it was prev support
<gary fullett> prelimary supply?
<gary fullett> or support?
<gary fullett> mr J?
<mrj> support sorry
<gary fullett> no that is fine
<gary fullett> I want to clarify it for the log okay?
<gary fullett> the beans are a very important example
<MarketWizard> Im going to go. See you all later and Good Hunting.
<gary fullett> it had an opportunity
<gary fullett> to break hard today
<gary fullett> thnax market :)
<gary fullett> but someomne bought support
<gary fullett> it want
<gary fullett> wasnt
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<gary fullett> a one lot herev
<gary fullett> and a 1 lot there
<mrj> just thought it was interesting that today's price low was within 2 1/2 points of that low
<gary fullett> what do u make of it mr j?
<mrj> I think it is good support
<Joe K> old resistance became support
<gary fullett> that is correct
<Joe K> or was 449 old resistance ?
<gary fullett> we identified the monthly support at 453
<gary fullett> 446 and 1 /2 was a number Mr J gave yesterday
<gary fullett> and Prelimary support was 449
<gary fullett> from last r
<gary fullett> yr
<gary fullett> so it should have been bougth
<Joe K> got it
<gary fullett> do u understand what I am talking about when I say lacked supply?
<Joe K> yes
<Capt> y
<gary fullett> But suport sell resistsance place stops
<gary fullett> and let the market tell u if u r right or wrong
<gary fullett> simple huh?
<Joe K> effort was to weak on thier part ( supply) so CM came back in and took her back up
<gary fullett> YES YES YES
<mrj> If you draw a horizontal line from 470 low of 6-26 and a downtrend line from the 6-5 high of 552 a close above that area might be a worthwhile move
<gary fullett> if the cm crates volume
<gary fullett> where was the volume to break support today?
<Joe K> wasnt there
<gary fullett> so the strong peole didnt sell today why not?
<Joe K> not enough strength or volume
<gary fullett> had a great chance with a neg report
<gary fullett> but they bought the neg news
<gary fullett> I have a question?
<gary fullett> name ONE bullish reason to buy any grain?
<Joe K> Movement by CM
<Guest>
<gary fullett> there isnt one
<Joe K> on good volume
<Joe K> lol
<gary fullett> but if beans rally 40 cents u will see the bullish news I guarennete u
<Joe K> :)
<gary fullett> I showed u yesterday
<gary fullett> coffe chart
<mrj> Oats are at historical support levels going back to 1975
<gary fullett> I showed u that sloping line of support
<Capt> Hot weather coming... bet ya that will be it
<gary fullett> I shwed u
<gary fullett> that it took 6 weeks
<gary fullett> I bet u r right Capt
<gary fullett> how does the Cm know this now thru accumaltion?
<Joe K> hes been there before ?
<gary fullett> we can watch we he does then the news comes
<gary fullett> and coffee undid in 2 days what it did on the down side
<gary fullett> in 5 weeks
<gary fullett> 6 weeks
<Joe K> true
<gary fullett> this shows demnad
<gary fullett> do u think the CM knew about frost
<gary fullett> when he bough the lows?
<gary fullett> who do u think sold it to him
<Joe K> CM knows everything
<gary fullett> now back to coffee
<gary fullett> I mentioned ice
<gary fullett> at the 94-9600 area
<gary fullett> it went to 9450 yesterday
<gary fullett> ofh by the way 1 more comment on beans
<gary fullett> if the Cm bought 453 the other day
<gary fullett> and he is bullish
<gary fullett> what would he do to defend his postion?
<gary fullett> he would buy it agian at that level right?
<gary fullett> and that is why u reacted today
<Capt> right
<gary fullett> he bought monthly
<gary fullett> support
<gary fullett> and on the retest bought it again
<Joe K> yes
<gary fullett> i made good money watching the overnight trades in the currvcies
<gary fullett> the high and low from the night
<gary fullett> and I traded the next morning in the pit
<gary fullett> becuase I knew banks would defend thier postions
<gary fullett> so if they bought D mark
<gary fullett> at 6100 at 12 midnight
<Capt> I like that!
<gary fullett> what do u think they will do at 9am chicago time
<gary fullett> Buy 6100 again
<gary fullett> and if it rallies to 6200
<gary fullett> what do u think they will do at 6100
<gary fullett> ?
<gary fullett> buy
<gary fullett> that is yyour range of accumaltion
<gary fullett> cm defends its postion so would u if u had that much $$$$$$
<gary fullett> we cant beat them to the news but we can ride thier coatails
<gary fullett> make sense?
<Joe K> yes
<Capt> yes
<gary fullett> I am not making this up
<Guest>
<gary fullett> it is Not Gar Fulletts
<gary fullett> principles
<gary fullett> it was wyckoffs
<gary fullett> if a company buys a product at a buck
<gary fullett> and it gos to 150
<gary fullett> he doesnt by it there
<gary fullett> unless he must have it
<gary fullett> he waits for a fair price at 100
<Joe K> he sells it back to buy it again
<gary fullett> markets are ALWAYS
<gary fullett> testing and retesting them selves
<mrj>
<gary fullett> sells resiaatnce
<gary fullett> Buy suport ys Joe
<Joe K> thats whay i said
<gary fullett> coffee
<gary fullett> I said that ice was 94-96 area
<gary fullett> and that the market needed more cuase to go higher
<gary fullett> yes I heard about frost
<gary fullett> but the market could go higher abobe 96 yesterday
<gary fullett> for 2 reasons
<gary fullett> 1 )
<gary fullett> not ebnough cause
<gary fullett> enough
<gary fullett> 2 )
<gary fullett> Ice
<gary fullett> the market went
<gary fullett> to ressiatnce and failed
<gary fullett> I mentioedn to clients yesterday in cooffee
<gary fullett> that we should test 90 today
<gary fullett> build cause and go higher
<gary fullett> I bought coffee at the 9140 area
<gary fullett> and got stopped out at 9150
<gary fullett> had an order in at 9005
<gary fullett> but the low was 9025
<gary fullett> so it wasnt filled
<gary fullett> the point is is that the amrket needed to retest
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<gary fullett> suuport before getting thru ice at 94-956 area
<gary fullett> 96
<mrj> Hi Frank
<gary fullett> so coffee traded perfect wyckoff today
<mrj> talking coffee
<frank> hi mr j
<gary fullett> questions on beans and /or coffee?
<Joe K> yes
<gary fullett> k go ahead Joe
<Joe K> at Ice in coffee
<Joe K> since we went back and tested support
<gary fullett> ice coffee at star bucks
<gary fullett> go on
<Joe K> we now will hit ice and go back, on weak demand, or have stronger cause and demand and push through Ice
<Joe K> correct ?
<gary fullett> well I mentoned that
<gary fullett> ice was 94 96
<gary fullett> and that
<gary fullett> it took 6 weeks to fall 2 days to rally
<gary fullett> to me this means that this is the first sign of demand
<Joe K> Does Demand create volume or vise versa ?
<Joe K> this is my question
<gary fullett> yesterday mr j mentioned that coffee is still in a downtrend and he ids right
<gary fullett> Deamnd creates volume
<Joe K> thankyou
<gary fullett> the cm buys support many contracts this is demand
<gary fullett> yes the trend is down but when u see demand
<gary fullett> this Must alert u
<gary fullett> to a possible change in trend
<gary fullett> case in poist Jor
<gary fullett> joe
<gary fullett> beans
<gary fullett> the marjet went to support today
<gary fullett> little volume
<gary fullett> But the market hit support
<gary fullett> demand came in
<mrj> Gary do you consider the price action and volume of 6-6-00 significant
<gary fullett> this cause higher volume
<gary fullett> in coffee?
<mrj> y
<gary fullett> yes I do
<Guest>
<Capt>
<gary fullett> so market went to support
<gary fullett> and demand kicked in and created the volume for a move higher
<mrj> the close was 92.50 yesterday and today closed higher than that day so I wondered if it had importance
<gary fullett> it is interesting
<gary fullett> I dont follow news
<gary fullett> I think that was prelimary support
<mrj> need a period after 92.50
<gary fullett> but the news was neg coffee today
<gary fullett> it said a frost from yeterday
<gary fullett> wasnt ging to be as severs
<gary fullett> sevrere
<gary fullett> as thought yesterday
<Joe K> and other bearish news too
<gary fullett> well the Cm knew this when he sold ice yesterday
<gary fullett> with "bad news'
<gary fullett> the market was 40 lower
<gary fullett> yesterday after being up over 800 points at 1 point yesterday
<gary fullett> so if u were long coming int yesterday
<gary fullett> do u care that u lost 40 points today
<gary fullett> on "neg news :
<gary fullett> ?
<Joe K> no
<gary fullett> that means that wehn the market broke to support at 9025
<gary fullett> and held most of the demand gains from yesterday
<gary fullett> and poeple got out due to the :"bad news"
<gary fullett> who do u htink bought it?
<Joe K> cm
<gary fullett> YeP!!!!
<gary fullett> neg news shuld hve cracked them today
<gary fullett> by the way the amrket can rally here 10-15 cenrts
<gary fullett> and the shorts stil wont cover
<gary fullett> above 108
<gary fullett> u can see 120 easily
<gary fullett> just with all the buy stops present
<gary fullett> in my opinion
<Joe K> cool
<gary fullett> sorry i didnt get to charts today frm yesterday but I will go over the rest tomorrow
<gary fullett> I want to talk about something import
<gary fullett> important
<gary fullett> it i how to place stops and orders
<gary fullett> if u dont mind
<gary fullett> if u do I will discuss another topic?
<Capt> go ahead
<Joe K> sounds good
<Guest>
<gary fullett> okay
<gary fullett> I want to share some secrets
<gary fullett> floor traders have a rough idea
<gary fullett> of how much they make with each trade in their head
<gary fullett> so they like even numbers
<gary fullett> like 200 bucks 500 bucks
<gary fullett> ect..
<gary fullett> they donike to figure
<gary fullett> 187.50
<gary fullett> dont
<gary fullett> with that said
<gary fullett> u will notice market will have bottom like 9000
<gary fullett> well if u place an order to by at 9000
<gary fullett> and the low is 90
<gary fullett> fo u think u will get filled?
<gary fullett> do
<gary fullett> not likely
<gary fullett> so u place the order at 9005
<gary fullett> so if 9000 is the low u will be filled
<gary fullett> also if u watch markets
<gary fullett> the opening
<gary fullett> will eaither be the high or the low
<gary fullett> for the day
<gary fullett> withjin a few hundred bucks
<gary fullett> do u understand that?
<Capt> y
<frank> y
<gary fullett> if u bought beans on the opening your risk was 200 bucks
<gary fullett> u would habe made 500
<gary fullett> look at markets today
<gary fullett> the opening was new the high or low of the day
<gary fullett> so if u r bullish a market buy it near the opening
<gary fullett> and place a stop underthat
<gary fullett> the floor traders use the opening range as their Pivot points
<gary fullett> they buy above it
<gary fullett> and sell under it :)
<gary fullett> that info is worth alot
<gary fullett> go see
<gary fullett> and look to see how many market stop
<gary fullett> at even numbers
<gary fullett> like 00
<gary fullett> 50
<gary fullett> 75
<gary fullett> 25
<gary fullett> 40
<gary fullett> 50
<gary fullett> 10 20
<gary fullett> floor trader are lazy as I said
<gary fullett> so when u place a stop place it at a level thnat not many peole have that
<gary fullett> area
<gary fullett> does that make sense
<gary fullett> it isnt wyckoff
<mrj>
<Capt> yes
<gary fullett> but it is fom the trading days on the floor
<gary fullett> when u see a stop that u get slippage on
<gary fullett> it is many times
<gary fullett> that
<gary fullett> it was placed with alot of other stops
<gary fullett> thus the reason for slipage
<gary fullett> u can minimize slippage
<gary fullett> by the proper use of stops.
<gary fullett> do u undersand what i said?
<Joe K> y
<Capt> y
<gary fullett> i believe very important and it is worth alot of money in my mind if u follow this
<gary fullett> see for your selves if you dont belive me
<gary fullett> I have observed it for yrs
<gary fullett> off the floor and on the floor
<gary fullett> if u ant to buy bonds at 9210
<gary fullett> plae the order at 9211
<gary fullett> place
<gary fullett> if u want to buy beans at 453
<gary fullett> buy it at 453 1/4
<gary fullett> had an order there today
<gary fullett> even though it went to 452 1/2
<gary fullett> most times on a spring with a prper stop u wont get jabbed out
<gary fullett> q?
<Capt> no
<Joe K> no
<gary fullett> make sense?
<Joe K> yup
<gary fullett> dont tke my word for it
<Capt> thanks for the tips will watch for this in the future
<gary fullett> se for yourselves :)
<gary fullett> always in the future never in the pasture :)
<Capt> In the pasture I always look down
<Joe K> lol
<gary fullett> yes in the futures U must look up
<gary fullett> tomorrow I will go over the rest of the charts
<gary fullett> is there anything that u would like me to discuss about my yrs on the floor?
<gary fullett> any question on floor traders/
<Joe K> yes
<gary fullett> k joe?
<Joe K> how do you keep track of trades in an open cry pit
<Joe K> when everyones hollering
<gary fullett> it eems very chaotic
<gary fullett> very good question
<gary fullett> seems
<gary fullett> but when u trade with another trader
<gary fullett> u check the trade afer u ake it with eye contact
<gary fullett> to make sure one is selling and 1 is buying
<gary fullett> and at what price
<gary fullett> the customer paaper order ALWAYS has precendent
<gary fullett> so i cant buy from a guy at 521 in beans
<gary fullett> customer order
<gary fullett> if he wasnt ot sell is at 521 1/4
<gary fullett> so u check the trade when it happens and then again right after it happens
<gary fullett> with eyes contact
<gary fullett> and u use
<gary fullett> hand signals to initte the trades
<gary fullett> there are errors
<gary fullett> these are called "out trades"
<gary fullett> customers are NEVER involved in these
<gary fullett> a local as they are called in the
<gary fullett> pit one who trades for hs own account
<gary fullett> will give : in to a larger trader
<gary fullett> or a brokerage house
<gary fullett> most times
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<gary fullett> because he needs to trade with these peoople for liquidity
<gary fullett> it is a very honest process
<gary fullett> if someomne screws u on an out trade
<gary fullett> they the whole pit knows and u are like a pariah
<gary fullett> and many wont traade with u
<gary fullett> beause u may screw em
<gary fullett> so the whole process joe is basd on honesty
<gary fullett> and
<gary fullett> intrigity
<gary fullett> otherwise the other trader WILL not trade with u
<gary fullett> does that help Joe?
<gary fullett> and other?
<gary fullett> does it make sense?
<Capt> y
<mrj> got to go good night everyone
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<Joe K> how many traders are there on one side representing 1 firm, in say coffee for instance
<Capt> nie mrj
<gary fullett> in coffe there are several broker from what i know that fill customer
<gary fullett> and large order
<gary fullett> like from folgers max well house ect
<Joe K> how many from RJO ( Floor Brokers )
<gary fullett> but if I am folgers I amy use 2 or 3 differnt broker to execute to the pit doesnt run my order
<gary fullett> I will try to decive them
<gary fullett> how many R J obrien traders in coffee?
<Joe K> yes
<gary fullett> local?
<gary fullett> or filler of paper?
<Joe K> I dont know the difference
<Joe K> locals trade for themselves right ?
<gary fullett> a local trades for himslf
<gary fullett> filler ofpapaer trades for customers and firms
<gary fullett> proably 5-10 in coffee for r j o
<gary fullett> 1 apper filler
<gary fullett> paper
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<gary fullett> okay why>?
<gary fullett> any other questions?
<Capt> no
<Joe K> nope thanks
<gary fullett> k
<gary fullett> thenI will see u all tomorrow
<Capt> nite
<Joe K> k
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<gary fullett> have a great night
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