User [gary fullett /152.175.178.227] joined forum on Tue May 30 20:59:42 EDT 2000 hello fran, mrj hi gary hi gary Hi everyone I will be with u all in 2 minutes k k mrj...finally went over the gold work you did...very good work he does doesn't he! the volume was especially interesting did you notice volume for thur and fri thank you up 5/25 was pretty big you may want to ask gary what he thinks it represents supply or demand User [george /172.155.70.249] joined forum on Tue May 30 21:01:30 EDT 2000 hi geo hi george hi george User [eric /208.134.223.40] joined forum on Tue May 30 21:01:54 EDT 2000 Im back hi eric hello eric did everyone get the charts? y y hi all hi mrj fran and all hey gary, got an internett error again with the charts also did anyone have a problem with getting into the room n n I will have to ask kelly sorry lmarsh welcome george ever see a market do what everyone thought it was going to do? brb...got to get my coffee I have talked with multichat many times so I hope the problem is settled k fran welcome goerge hi gary please ask any questions u wish I cant get charts today no ink in printer sry User [Chris /63.14.220.77] joined forum on Tue May 30 21:04:11 EDT 2000 how do you get paint off a car? if you go to archives dont put it on lol u can download them anytime goerge ok paint thinner not sure I drove on the white lines on highway today and they were freshly painted...need I say more? sue the city fran there is a product that removes overspray from shipyards that might be available at your auto parts store any questions on wyckoff or in general? got to check.....I am on death row here gary would you comment on the vol of thur and fri in gold how did u see the volume? lets work thru this User [fibo /206.104.30.187] joined forum on Tue May 30 21:06:55 EDT 2000 I sent a gold chart tonight demand hi fibo because I thought it was interestin hi fibo hi fibo I agree hello everyone hi fibo hi the problrm with gold is that it needs a sign of stregth hi fibo gary...what was that drop below support last week? what u need to see with gold is a close over 275 then 284 in gold with heavier volume on the rallies to show an upthrust geoge some of the terms maybe new to u I will try to backtrack and explain okay most times no problem thur.'s volu was heaviest since early feb so what is needed in gold is Demand but it must be a rally on heavier volume with good price action over the 2 points I mentioned if the markets gets above 275 with good volume it can rally to 284 then it will break out of this range above 284 then I think u will see a larger move above 300 User [amos /62.0.147.10] joined forum on Tue May 30 21:10:45 EDT 2000 hi amos hi amos hi amos hi but we will go over that chart hi amos later tonight welcome amos eh any other questions before we begin? unleaded broke its high yes it did seasonal User [fibo] left forum on Tue May 30 21:12:59 EDT 2000 can you use the same techniques of Wyckoff on a point and figure chart? or does it have to be a br chart? Yes Fran bar k point and figure is essential for wyckoff User [rbnca /216.119.18.91] joined forum on Tue May 30 21:14:19 EDT 2000 User [fibo /206.104.30.187] joined forum on Tue May 30 21:14:28 EDT 2000 hi rb wb fibo wb fibo thanks okay Hey Now lets begin with Sugar Hi Rb welcome back User [stockgirl /209.178.147.189] joined forum on Tue May 30 21:15:12 EDT 2000 we missed ya thanks hi stockgirl hi rb hi stockgirl hi everyone hi SG hi stockgirl mrj, hi! I want to talk about sugar weekly over 2 yr time User [stockgirl] left forum on Tue May 30 21:16:37 EDT 2000 User [stockgirl /209.178.147.189] joined forum on Tue May 30 21:17:08 EDT 2000 wb stockgirl the sugar market was in a downtrend for the past yr in febraury of this yr the market went to the lows see that? y y y how sweet it is y 4.36 when the market went to its lows one didnt know that that was the low amen but after 4 weeks of accumulating the market had a good weekly clos mid March but even with that strong week the market didnt take out resistance but if u look at the 630 level it is where I wrote "retst of support" when a market i going to take out resisatnce after a downtrend it must show demand right? how does the market show demand>? yep wider price and and what? v larger volume Volume right? volume correct fibo look at the 3rd week in april? wide range great volume and a close near the high do u see this? y y y y y so lets say that we werent long and we saw this action this is significant because it is at this levl that the market showed DEMAND and strenghth I mentioedn this chart when it was happening so if one waits for strenghth this is the point of that strenghth u can buy the strong weekly close k or u can buy a retest so what is the difference between strength and exhausted public buying or top u could have bought it at that level for 3 weeks!!!!! well in sugar you are coming from a downtrend so it is unlikely that it was a top after going sideways for over a month if the market was in a long uptrend this could be the beginning of a top it depends on where the market is at rb look at the close price action and volume ah so, like the juice? this was constructive!! what do u mean like OJ? yes, sorry what about OJ rb? I am seeing accumulation test and retest I agree and I am getting there on tonights chart theres alot of buying and selling channel so everyone sees the demand I am talking about in sugar? vol on wed was heavy with wide price action 3rd week in april? that is true y y y and I think short term sugar breaks from here so after the market showed Demand the market went sideways for 3 weeks the ranges were almost identical the market was accumaulting at these levels after demand a market needs Volume and demand to prove itself after a downtrend since sugar techically was bearish Demand had to overcome supply which it did last week in april then it Held these levels if the market went to the 630 area and then fel this would have been an upthrust but since the marjet "talked" to you and held the streghth area the market went much higher to 800 area do u see this demand then the accumaltion then rally y y the 4 weeks of going sideways in march yes I was nail biting y then the 3 weeks after the stregnth gary, question please the market was resting this gave u a nice count any questions? do u understand? before going up yes stock girl yes George stock girl question? what do you mean the market "breaks from here? i've been watching sugar in the last week or so and you mentioned strength, volume rally last wed. how many days is needed in commodities...in stocks several to show real rallying after trending down goes lower RB because? I think it will retest the 720 area support before going higher RB usually several day stck girl not that disimilar to stocks so the latest rally was not a real rally yet? I think that commodities in general will go higher sugar alreadly in my mind retest 50% of last trend sytarted an upturn and will retrace then go higher very well said i'm looking at the chart and it's straight up from last week right the market had a very good week last week so I think the market will fill out or go sideways to lower over the nest week or so and reaccumualte before heading highr fill out? Gary I don't know what you mean, but it must have been one or my dumb jokes do you consider 7.10 the creek? just like steps yes george I just hate your cat. and yes fran do u see the horizontal line I drew? this should be very good support at 710 yes area resisatnce Now becomes support it is a good chart that shows demand this is what gold needs Mr J alluding to your comment earlier why not 6.30 creek? that is also very good support lot of support in sep. nov. but i dont think that it will be hit though at that level it is about a 50 percent retracemtn of the whole move 510 to 805 brb sept nov in sugar? yes those months dont trade Oct Jan July well there is a lot of growing season to go and I personally think this is good yes any questions on sugar do u undersatnd this chart? support at 7 in sept oct an nov User [stockgirl] left forum on Tue May 30 21:47:42 EDT 2000 since mr J mentioend gold lets talk on that one this market has been drifting lower for the past 3 monthd back wb fran thx now the market has tested User [fibo /206.104.30.187] joined forum on Tue May 30 21:49:27 EDT 2000 the 270 area wb fibo so the area from 270-268 thanks..got bumped is the next level of support what is the chart now? gold but as amos has mentioend gold thanks this market needs and Must have Demand to show up looks like it closed the weekly gap yes But hasnt showed demand yet the way to play the gold is to wait for stenght and buy on a buy stop I mentioned the posints in goold as being 275 then 285 the market looks like it should hold. but it is a risk trade to buy here yes it is some support but a safer trade is to wait for demand to show up and buy there what would you call that dip below support last week? not good ;-) if the market takes out in wyckoff lingo for longs last weeks high then it could be the begiining of an up move but the points I gave u I think are critcal wll if if takes out last weeks highs a retest of weekly support if not then a retest lower in wyckckoff lingo okay fran>? questions on gold User [wes /172.139.212.125] joined forum on Tue May 30 21:54:49 EDT 2000 does it have a mane? the proper way to play it is probably on buy stops hi wes yes hi wes hi everyone name it is 1 /3 the size of the big comex hey wes the name of the mane is "lion in the winter" fran :) ? amos do u have any comment on gold? I have only one general comment about market and my state Shall I continue? y yes y y the floor is yours we are all ears y I just want you to know that despite the fact that I am very busy studying for a state exam.... I started in the last few days re-reading the original WYckoff text (of SMI ) whcih I carry with me around the globe (terrible in airports with the luggage). I feel like MJ when the Bulls and he were in a slump-- the famous sentence:"Lets go back to basics>" dont use his name in vain :) There is a tendency to lose you composure when you make predictions and the market comes and salps you on your face... Give you an example: THe crb is bullish. THe 225 was a target that was reached. I thought that the lagging commodities will assert themselves--not to happen yet...the leader--the energy is continue to roar in its strong trend. In the beans--remember how we used to emphasize the significance of the meal/oil spread? y y y the market is always right Guess what--oil made a new low to day (15.84/vs 15.94)/... WHile soymeal is still holdin higher hi and higher lo on the monthly!!! I wth that spread it is significant So the original message of bullishness is still there--but what about the monthly chart in beans? I aslo meal held relative to oil today that was positive lso thought the weekly cycle will hold--not to be..... So in general I feel that I am confused. I do not read things correctly--and the best thing to do 515-520 in beans when that happens--is to say: IDK=NMT...I do not know equals Need more time... dont let your emotions in the way So the best thing for me to do is shut up and go back to reading the basic WYckoff course.... I hope this is at least clear. monthly in beans still up the weekly trendline is still holding in the beans good commnets amos amos we appreciate you being honest...thanks there are many times that u can identify something then be wrong after doing lots of work such is this business fibo do u have any comments in the grains or in general as well? i find that if i am too biased to one side i tend to not notice signals that don't support my bias true fibo great point ditto fibo very true that is true with everyone fibo when u r bullish and the markets breaks u think it is a break in an uptrend to be bouhgt not a possible weakness and to sell short if one can chage everytime their signals tell them many times they will be right with experience that is why trading is so hard it is easy in hindsight we have been bulloish grains and working with grain charts for several months User [wes2 /152.175.129.107] joined forum on Tue May 30 22:09:15 EDT 2000 and now the market is back to the area that we were touting bullishness from that I :know " will do soemthing when I dont have a great opinion it happens when I think i know I get hurt No it wasnt fibo u mentioend this here I remeber him saying that in corn I remembered that statement, fibo the question then is did it signify a short in corn for u? that is the hardest thing to do he can change his mind from bullish to bearish more easily than me :-) to be bullish then they market doesnt do what u want it to do then turn the other way very quickly running quick in this biz is good but watching loner term perspective is very important as well yes for him it did signify a short that is why we are here everynight trying to undersatnd markets and wyckoff crb cash market has shown some wonderful price action from the sideways action ( accumaultion) building cause from march thru July last yr then ideways action sideways sept thru Jan from 1999 till 2000 as george mentioend before likes ateps steps sideways accumaltion break out sideways action then a move higher this is what the CRB index has been doing over the past yr do u see this? y y y y so as amos mentioned the crb is strong and it is partiualrly distrubing the grain action to the downside when the crb holds up the market has its true creek support at the 208 50 area. though I dont think it will retrace that far but that is where the majot support comes in do u see this horizontal support>? y y y if the grains head up the CRB will fly huh? or gold not necessarily because everything else in crb could be crashing then LOL...fibo true but true but if the energis break sell at keast i dont have to pay 2 bucjks a gallon for gas :-) not yet I would suspect that the energies will pullback after summer before the election but keep gas rices high all summer is old resistance that became support better support than the original support from range? good question wes User [amos] left forum on Tue May 30 22:23:35 EDT 2000 remeber when amos says that he likes to buy strenghth well on the case of buynig support at old resisatnce this is a case of that k the market is techinically stronger buying a retest of old resistance at upport becaus the market has proven itself buying the bottom of the range will give u better entry pricewise but there can be more risk as the market hasnt prove itslf like gold now at support of the range but no demand Oj is in arange as well so bying at the low 80's area ids the bottom of support energys near monthly hights and straight up ill look to sell if it can get above 8700 calls and spreads lowers risk,eh? that is buying strenghth like Coffee above 10610 area this is biuing strenghth otherwise buy at the low 90 's area the bottom of support but u run the rik of the market not proving strenghth yet good question wes.... does that help? yes heps me good if your niche is to buy strenghth look at that sugar chart the strenghth came in at the 630 area even if u missed the first 80 points at the bottom of the range your support line in crb cash looks like it is sitting on old resistance u still could 170 points it is wes k old resistance becomes support yes old support becomes resisatnce this is very very important it is a given.... one of the few yes RB doesnt mean it works EVERY time but it is something that ahould always be watched any other questions ? me? the crb index should be watched it is like the dow for stocks anyone wes including u :) k :-) I keep send ing the crb index becuase it will be iportant as we go forward crb had a short term sell signal today fibo did u have a comment on grains? If not I want to go inetail tomorrow after tomorrows action I want to pend more than I have time for toonight do you think oj is accumulating or distributing and why? RB I am ding that chart next came to more numbers today. cool I wanted Fibo to comment on grains if should had any then I want to go into detail in tomorrows class grains still under the trend lines.. do u think lower here? sideways/> will just have to watch the price action at the numbers. if it takes out this set of numbers it will go lower you think cm is culling the pack? would you say 509 next support for beans? 508.50 thank you I agree that is why I want to see the action tomorro and also at 510. to get more pieces of the puzzle yes gary so we will discuss grains in detail tomorrow okay? o.k. tomorrow k ok that si why I sent the charts but I want to spend more time then we have for tonight k fibo since amos had to go and it is 940 cst i think we will not complete the grain talk so we will start the first thing tomorrow night that's fine gary OJ great this market has been going sideways for the past 5 months low of the 80 area high of 8600 do u see this? y sideways trading range? y yep memorized y when this finally moves it will be a large move the count is getting large rememebr the longer sideways the larger the move nite everyone..cu tomorrow nite to me ince the crb is bullish nite fran & thanks nite fran and the fact that the trend in OJ has been down nite fran nite fran this sideways action to me is accumaultion night fran User [fran] left forum on Tue May 30 22:41:02 EDT 2000 if it wasnt in my mind we would have made new lows already it kinda of reminds me of the grains the market went sideways for awhile and should have ralalied more the fact that the grains could rally and make new highs was barish in the case with OJ the market shouldhave made new lows buy didnt so to me it appears that this is accumaultion and if u want to buy stenghth instead odf the bottom of the range at 8600 this is a case of what u were talking about eailer wes the strenghth\ is above the 8700 area see this area? k y y good night to all, thanks gary and fibo so if u want to buy strenght buy above 8700 nite eric nite eric User [eric] left forum on Tue May 30 22:44:52 EDT 2000 if u want to bottom bottom of support buy at the 80 area any questions on OJ? gary does vol in oj support accum? to me yes hey that was my q volume should pick up on the rallies and dry up on breaks to show No supply sorry rb so to me the market shows accumulation okay RB and wes.. half credit each :) that does it easy rb any other questions>? otherwise I willc all it a night and see u all tomorrow night nite gary thanks i did'nt mean it rb 8-) nite gary thanks all right then thanks seeya ok gary thanks okay night all tomorrow we discuss grains nite everyone User [rbnca] left forum on Tue May 30 22:48:11 EDT 2000 and other things bye User [mrj] left forum on Tue May 30 22:48:17 EDT 2000 thanx gorge good night all nite all User [george] left forum on Tue May 30 22:48:28 EDT 2000 I hoped it helped night User [gary fullett] left forum on Tue May 30 22:48:35 EDT 2000